Thunderbolts #1 *Spoilers*

**TsaiMeLemoni** · 12-10-2012, 05:16 AM

Deodato is great (liked his work with Ellis on Thunderbolts), but Dillon just fits this series like a glove imo. Maybe I have a brain tumor.

**IndigoMX9** · 12-10-2012, 10:37 AM

Do you think Way will comment on the Red Hulk's recent outings by Jeff Parker?
He gained a lot of allies and enemies (Annie the LMD,Machine Man, etc.) there.

That's a really good point, I LOVED what Jeff Parker did with Red Hulk. I am reading Red She-Hulk and it looks like Machine Man will continue with that book. I'm not sure what will happen with the LMD Annie?

Originally Posted by drakeon

Somehow I doubt it. Marvel NOW seems to be trying to give a fresh new reader start. Although the first issue didn't explain who anybody was so new readers are out of luck. His Ross so far sounds like he will be the semi-cryptic leader who reveals only what needs to be revealed as it pertains to the individual mission.

I am curious though to see if anything in this series eventually deals with the story Jeph Loeb keeps hinting at involving a second red hulk from the future being Talbot, as seen in Avengers: X-Sanction and A+X.

I do remember that from X-Sanction. Cable thought that Rulk was Talbot. I think that Cable was referring to Glenn Talbot's younger brother Brian Talbot who became "Grey" as part of the Gamma Corps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_Corps

**Shinglepants** · 12-10-2012, 12:34 PM

Picked it up today. Wasn't a great first issue but I'll give it an arc before I properly judge it. I dig Dillon's art, Way is alright and its an interesting line up so I have high hopes.

Loved the Skottie Young variant cover!

**drakeon** · 12-10-2012, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by IndigoMX9

That's a really good point, I LOVED what Jeff Parker did with Red Hulk. I am reading Red She-Hulk and it looks like Machine Man will continue with that book. I'm not sure what will happen with the LMD Annie?

I do remember that from X-Sanction. Cable thought that Rulk was Talbot. I think that Cable was referring to Glenn Talbot's younger brother Brian Talbot who became "Grey" as part of the Gamma Corps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_Corps

But in A plus X #1 there is an evil red hulk in the future that sent Old Man Logan and Maestro to destroy Hulk. At the end he states that Red Hulk must die! So two Red Hulks. Cable thought Red Hulk was Talbot, a future version of Red Hulk

**SomeBodyAtCBR** · 12-10-2012, 04:07 PM

I thought it was awful. Set up Ross as too much of a badass and didn't click with where the Punisher is now (or where I think he'll be at the end of War Zone).

I thought it would have been more organic if it was Castle in jail but Ross gets him pardoned for his team. This stupid "hey I set u up bro let's Hulk out and kill ppl if u willin to join mai team or else u die lolz" story was abysmal along with Dillon's dry art made this a terrible start to a meh concept.

**IndigoMX9** · 12-10-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by drakeon

But in A plus X #1 there is an evil red hulk in the future that sent Old Man Logan and Maestro to destroy Hulk. At the end he states that Red Hulk must die! So two Red Hulks. Cable thought Red Hulk was Talbot, a future version of Red Hulk

I just picked up A+X#1 this weekend. I have no idea where Leob is going with, "Red Hulk must die?" It left more questions than answers. I'm sure that will be conflict for a future story.

I'm a little worried that Way is lapsing into his old bad habits. The issue wasn't bad, but there wasn't a lot there. It felt like the third issue of his old obsessive 5 issue arcs. Also, not enough Deadpool. I'm buying this series primarily to see him continue his work with the character. Overall it reminds me of Uncanny X-Force with Red Hulk instead of Wolverine. I like the pun in the use of General "Thunderbolt" Ross, but I don't really care about any of the characters except for Deadpool who has his own solo book so probably won't get much development. I'll see if it grows on me, but I might end up dropping it before the inevitable synthesis with the classic Thunderbolts like the end of Diggle's run.

I was chatting with friends and we all agree that Marvel is trying to recreate the Wow-factor of Wolverine with Cable, Puck, Rulk, Punisher, etc.

Deadpool had no development in Daniel Way's 63 issue run on the book, so he definitely wont here. Remender did more for Deadpool than Way ever did. Most writers treat Deadpool as a joke, and its too bad cause they could do so much more with his character than making him a cartoon clown. The new Marvel NOW deadpool is no better, 3 issues in and the series is boring.

But I did like his short scene in Thunderbolts #1. As long as he doesn't resort to his multiple narration box mindspeak I will enjoy this.

I always thought of Deadpool as the comic relief, especially when they refer to him as the "Merc with the Mouth." I keep hearing mixed things that Daniel Way had ruined Deadpool? He has lasted as long as others who wrote the book about 60-issues.

**TsaiMeLemoni** · 12-12-2012, 09:54 AM

According to the solicits, looks like we're getting Phil Noto as the artist starting with Issue #7. Sadly, it also looks like that's when we no longer have Tedesco as the cover artist :(

**Bionder** · 12-12-2012, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by TsaiMeLemoni

According to the solicits, looks like we're getting Phil Noto as the artist starting with Issue #7. Sadly, it also looks like that's when we no longer have Tedesco as the cover artist :(

It's sad, i like Tedesco's art. Phil Noto's art seems polished, let's see what he will do.

**IndigoMX9** · 12-12-2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by TsaiMeLemoni

According to the solicits, looks like we're getting Phil Noto as the artist starting with Issue #7. Sadly, it also looks like that's when we no longer have Tedesco as the cover artist :(

TsaiMeLemoni are you a telepath or have precognitive powers?

How did you find out that Phil Noto is the artist with issue #7? I like his art. :)

http://www.comicvine.com/elektra/29-...0/105-2017387/

**TsaiMeLemoni** · 12-12-2012, 12:03 PM

lol I wish! No, I just read the solicits that came out today.

**scouse mouse** · 12-12-2012, 12:04 PM

The March 2013 solicits are out and have Noto listed as the artist for #7. I love him as well so I'm well pleased!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=42630

**IndigoMX9** · 12-12-2012, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by TsaiMeLemoni

lol I wish! No, I just read the solicits that came out today.

I had no idea that Marvel does that for upcoming titles? No wonder all the comic websites have "breaking news". Thanks for the 411!

Originally Posted by scouse mouse

The March 2013 solicits are out and have Noto listed as the artist for #7. I love him as well so I'm well pleased!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=42630

Awesome, thank you! I am SO excited about this book. I've been reading a lot of feedback, many are interested in the characters but refuse to buy the book because of the creative team. Hopefully it will be around for a while.

**TsaiMeLemoni** · 12-12-2012, 03:26 PM

I am wondering if the artist change to Phil Noto will bring in anyone who originally eschewed this book...Dillon's art seemed to be the biggest detractor for folks.

**IndigoMX9** · 12-12-2012, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by TsaiMeLemoni

I am wondering if the artist change to Phil Noto will bring in anyone who originally eschewed this book...Dillon's art seemed to be the biggest detractor for folks.

I hope so! When the book was announced, I saw a lot of feedback that people loved the concept but were turned off because of Way and Dillon; who I had never herd of before?

From what I've read, Steve Dillon was fantastic on Hellblazer, Preacher, independent books, but he should NOT draw super hero's. I saw some of his art and I thought oh OK cool. Then it was explained to me that he draws the same face (Jesse Custer from Preacher) on ALL the characters.

According to some people, Daniel Way had ruined Wolverine Origins and Deadpool? I hadn't read the books, so I don't know personally? From what I've seen, Deadpool is a complex character, a comedian that is somewhat crazy; I don't know how that could be messed up? Way's run on Deadpool for over 60-issues which is about the same as other writers before him. He must have been doing something right, go figure?

**Zen-aku** · 12-12-2012, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by IndigoMX9

I hope so! When the book was announced, I saw a lot of feedback that people loved the concept but were turned off because of Way and Dillon; who I had never herd of before?

From what I've read, Steve Dillon was fantastic on Hellblazer, Preacher, independent books, but he should NOT draw super hero's. I saw some of his art and I thought oh OK cool. Then it was explained to me that he draws the same face (Jesse Custer from Preacher) on ALL the characters.

According to some people, Daniel Way had ruined Wolverine Origins and Deadpool? I hadn't read the books, so I don't know personally? From what I've seen, Deadpool is a complex character, a comedian that is somewhat crazy; I don't know how that could be messed up? Way's run on Deadpool for over 60-issues which is about the same as other writers before him. He must have been doing something right, go figure?

Way did not ruin deadpool.

Way's Pool had more depth and wrote him with more skill then the guys who wrote Cable and Deadpool.

Wolverine Orgins was shit thogh