I think what a lot of people WILL do 10, 20, or 30 years from now---especially those who aren't Spidey fans and who are objective about the art in the book---is look back at Ramos' art and go, "WTF?!? How on Earth did this guy get so much work on Marvel's FLAGSHIP character in his FLAGSHIP book?!?"
Last edited by Memphis Raines; 12-23-2012 at 12:17 PM.
Ramos and Greg Capullo's styles similar?!? Aside from them both being "cartoony" artists, I don't see any similarity between their styles at all. Capullo's art is MUCH more controlled, is much cleaner, far better story telling wise, and he also has a nice grasp of human anatomy and how to draw human faces (even if he does do them in a cartoonish manner).
Overall, Capullo's style is just all around cleaner and more versatile than Ramos'. Do you think Ramos could have successfully and EFFECTIVELY penciled a run on a dark comic like Spawn like Capullo did?!? Ramos penciled some of the darkest chapters of X-Men: Messiah Complex and his junky, cluttered panels and overly cartoonish pencils were very hard to follow and COMPLETELY took you out of the dark mood of the story.
To be fair, Ramos has cleaned up and toned down his pencils quite a bit since being on ASM (he REALLY sucked at drawing Spidey on the Jenkins stories a decade ago), but for me personally, even though Ramos' art is a lot more tolerable these days, he still does stuff in every other panel that reminds you why you disliked him so much in the first place. For instance, any civilian woman's face he draws, or the even-for-Spider-Man-super weird anatomy he still gets carried away with sometimes.
It varies for me. Some issues are great but others can look a bit too cartoonish or rushed for my liking, Ends Of The Earth springs to mind.
I've learned not to moan too much though. I hated Sal Buscema's art for ages on Spectacular, then something must've clicked in my mind and I loved it. Complete opposite happened with Todd MacFarlane and Mark Bagley's work, so it's all subjective really.
He's hit and miss for me. Sometimes his stuff is awesome (I really liked Spider-Island) and sometimes it just looks too out of control and I can't handle it.
Hey, that tiger is flying a spaceship.
This also reflects the problem of double-shipping. Ramos is appreciated by Marvel because he is very fast. Like the notoriously bland artwork from Vince Colletta in the 70s and 80s, this is what keeps him employed.
What Would Spidey Do?
i don't like his art
I just think Ramos' art takes me out of the stories too much. Makes it where I'm spending too much time trying to figure out what's going on in most panels. It's just my opinion, of course, but its my opinion that matters on what I'll buy or not. I like some Spidey pictures Ramos has drawn thru the years, but just don't like it in the main Spidey titles. It's time to bring in some artists that can tell a great "Amazing" story with their art.
Happy holidays everyone
I've never been a Ramos fan...at all. I will say that he has improved since his days on Spectacular Spider-Man with Paul Jenkins. That are was hideous, and I REALLY had a hard time with it. Still don't love his style, but it's not as bad as it once was, IMO.
I sometimes skip issues merely because of his art. ASM #700 will be an exception, but I mostly hate his art for the reasons already mentioned, but mostly because of the overly cartoonish, almost anime look.