Why the dislike on Ramos

[hoopsguru]

Just curious on why do so many people dislike Ramos' work? I personally think that out of the current crop of ASM artists that he is the best, but that is just my opinion. Give me the days of McFarlane, Larsen or Bagley, but for now, Ramos tops my list.

[ngroove]

Too cartoony.

[CyberHubbs]

Some people just have terrible opinions. Way of the world.

[graffiX]

I just don't like it. At all. Too rigid and angled for my tastes....I dunno, hard to explain.

I dropped ASM solely for the Ramos art alone. Getting these last 2 issues though, so I'll tough it out.

[Lars C]

I like him. Sure he´s cartoony, but so was McFarlane. Ramos has developed in almost every aspect too, I think his storytelling has taken a little step back, though. It was easier to see what happened in stuff like when he drew the "Death in the Family" arc with Paul Jenkins. But Ryan Stegman will definitely outshine Humberto Ramos. I still miss him in Scarlet Spider, so I really, really hope that Superior Spider-Man will be a title worth reading.

[sage6paths]

His open mouths that all look the same. It's creepish. Close your mouths son!

[hoopsguru]

I have to say that none of the recent crew of pencil pushers capture my desires like days of yore, which makes it extremely hard to put down money for my favorite superhero. I cannot stand Camuncoli's artwork, especially the recent Hobgoblin story. Even with my glasses on, the pages just looked like a blur of blues, blacks and oranges smashed together (might not be Camuncoli's fault I guess, blame the inker not the penciler!).

I had hopes that with the new SSM book that a new crew of artists would come on board but it doesnt look like it :(

At least out of the final 3 books, I can stomach Ramos' work and enjoy the finale.

[kitonok]

He evolved a lot. So much less haters now. Before big time i disliked him too. Now ASM without him can't exist.

[Movieartman]

Terrible IMO seriously, he is trying too hard to be chris bachalo (which isnt a good thing) but is doing so with sharp jagged edges on everything, bachalo works (Sometimes) dew to his people and stuff being very rounded. and bachalo also gets points for adding lots of detail at times which ramos doesnt.

Regardless i will give it to him the fact that he does draw a good hobgoblin.

[Movieartman]

I Cant even Describe How freaking Pissed and Disapointed i was that ramos Drew Spider-Island instead of say Marco Checchetto, someone who really could have made the Man Spiders look Horrifing as they should be.

[Movieartman]

I cannot stand Camuncoli's artwork, especially the recent Hobgoblin story. Even with my glasses on, the pages just looked like a blur of blues, blacks and oranges smashed together (might not be Camuncoli's fault I guess, blame the inker not the penciler!).

no blame the colorist if your problem is with the colors not working.

that said i cant understand your complaint on any level Camuncoli's Hobgoblins where fantastic, not as good as say Steve mcniven's on the cover but still



that said yeah camuncolis work is not great, but IMO he is far ahead of ramos

[adam.walters]

I don't mind Ramos on Spider-Man. A Spider-Man comic can have a cartoony look IMO. Although Caselli is probably my favorite of the artists to do a lot of work with Slott on Spidey.

[the Dagman]

I don't like him for for a couple of reasons. First, too cartoony. I don't like manga, nor do I like manga inspired art. Did not particularly care for McFarlane or Bagley back in the day either for that matter. Second, his anatomy is atrocious. He draws people, Spidey in particular, in ways they could not possibly be unless they were Mr. Fantastic or Plastic Man or something. Take this panel for example:



Now take your eyes off Spider-Woman's ass and look at how Spider-Man is drawn here. Look at his torso. Spines don't work like that. We are seeing his full back with both shoulders, as well as his full frontal abdomen. Not even the most capable contortionist can come close to getting their body into such a position. What, did he have his L5 vertebrae replaced with a universal swivel joint?

He seems capable on the storytelling aspect, at least. But he really needs to use some body reference in his work. Either a model, or some photos... something to reign in that wacky anatomy he draws off the top of his head. Because art this cartoony really draws me out of the story, and gives me a "WTF?" moment. IMO, art like this should not be on Marvel's premier solo hero book.

[hoopsguru]

I don't like him for for a couple of reasons. First, too cartoony. I don't like manga, nor do I like manga inspired art. Did not particularly care for McFarlane or Bagley back in the day either for that matter. Second, his anatomy is atrocious. He draws people, Spidey in particular, in ways they could not possibly be unless they were Mr. Fantastic or Plastic Man or something. Take this panel for example:



Now take your eyes off Spider-Woman's ass and look at how Spider-Man is drawn here. Look at his torso. Spines don't work like that. We are seeing his full back with both shoulders, as well as his full frontal abdomen. Not even the most capable contortionist can come close to getting their body into such a position. What, did he have his L5 vertebrae replaced with a universal swivel joint?

He seems capable on the storytelling aspect, at least. But he really needs to use some body reference in his work. Either a model, or some photos... something to reign in that wacky anatomy he draws off the top of his head. Because art this cartoony really draws me out of the story, and gives me a "WTF?" moment. IMO, art like this should not be on Marvel's premier solo hero book.

Liefeld would have put more junk in her trunk :)

Seriously though, I agree that some of his anatomy work is a bit of a stretch but when you consider all the movement and abilities that Spiderman has, it isnt THAT far off.

[EuphemismForSex]

Seriously though, I agree that some of his anatomy work is a bit of a stretch but when you consider all the movement and abilities that Spiderman has, it isnt THAT far off.

Yes it is. It really is.

I've only learned to tolerate Ramos since he began on ASM, never learned to like his work. Cartoon-ish ness and warped anatomies detract from storytelling and immersion, and make his work look like messy scribbles, in general. Especially difficult to get into any serious moment when he doesn't draw anyone like an actual human being.