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    Ah well, Americans do love things to be dumbed down after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addams View Post
    Ah well, Americans do love things to be dumbed down after all.


    it's not that high of a bar.

    there are moments of briliance thenthe writers get full of themsevles and we got enterprise season 1 and 2
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    I wasn't thinking "dumbed down" so much as "pathetic."

    Darkness means less if you're always in the dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addams View Post
    Ah well, Americans do love things to be dumbed down after all.
    Yeah, i wish i lived in a country where people only liked intelligent films.
    Like Unicornland or similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesse_custer View Post
    I wasn't thinking "dumbed down" so much as "pathetic."

    Darkness means less if you're always in the dark.
    But they are going into it.
    Into the darkness.

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    Yes, what an intriguing idea these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Yeah, i wish i lived in a country where people only liked intelligent films.
    Like Unicornland or similar.
    When Star Trek is as intelligent as The Expendables, we have a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesse_custer View Post
    When Star Trek is as intelligent as The Expendables, we have a problem.
    Star Trek lost intelligence when we got a "save the whales" movie as Star Trek 4. Star Trek Generations was the final nail in the coffin for Trek being smart.

    Point being, Trek hasn't really been smart for a long time now.
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    I have to disagree. Star Trek IV is more silly and goofy than dumb. Same thing with Star Trek V. These movies actually have ideas. Then you have Star Trek VI, which was a fairly intelligent movie.

    The new Star Trek movie was just like The Expendables: simply an excuse to get a bunch of characters together for one-liners and action. This approach works alright with something like The Avengers, but Star Trek? What's the point, especially when the action sequences are not even interesting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SephirothDZX View Post
    Trek hasn't really been smart for a long time now.
    And it's not going to be again anytime soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadXMan View Post
    it's not that high of a bar.
    A band playing for less than 3 minutes is supposed to be the perfect illustration of the overall quality of this franchise?

    People, you are exhausting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesse_custer View Post
    I have to disagree. Star Trek IV is more silly and goofy than dumb. Same thing with Star Trek V. These movies actually have ideas. Then you have Star Trek VI, which was a fairly intelligent movie.

    The new Star Trek movie was just like The Expendables: simply an excuse to get a bunch of characters together for one-liners and action. This approach works alright with something like The Avengers, but Star Trek? What's the point, especially when the action sequences are not even interesting?
    Star Trek 6 is great, but compared to everything that surrounds it I'm willing to classify it as a fluke. Obviously just my opinion but Star Trek 4 is just a dumb movie that exists to mock how silly the TOS era characters are compared to normal people, while beating you over the head with a "save the whales" message all while trying to save the Earth from a magical space probe that is never explained at all. The movie's message doesn't get any deeper than the whole whales thing and the entire movie basically exists to more or less retcon Kirk & company back onto the bridge of the Enterprise.

    Star Trek 5 actually does have a decent idea behind it, I'll give you that. But if you ask me the movie itself was just poorly put together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Addams View Post
    And it's not going to be again anytime soon.
    And I'm fine with that. Reboot Trek was the most entertaining movie that had "Star Trek" in the title in a long time. It at least had the decency to focus on being entertaining, something almost all of the TNG era films forgot.
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    Fair enough. I do think the crux of my complaint is in my last question, though. If you're going to make a dumb, action-oriented Star Trek, the action should be exciting and interesting, like that in Skyfall, Ghost Protocol, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, etc.

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    I guess its just opinions, I found the action in Trek to be good enough. Granted I'm comparing it to action scenes from Treks past, and not to general Hollywood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SephirothDZX View Post
    Granted I'm comparing it to action scenes from Treks past, and not to general Hollywood.
    I haven't seen all of the Next Generation movies, so I can't bring them into the comparison, but The Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country had better action than the new Star Trek. That's not really saying much, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addams View Post


    A band playing for less than 3 minutes is supposed to be the perfect illustration of the overall quality of this franchise?

    .


    no this is

    *SNAP*

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