Fearless Defenders Appreciation

[Deus ex Chris]

I'm not racist if that's the joke you are trying to make nor am i some sort of psychotic bigot ...everyone has something that they have a problem with nobody is a saint everybody's a little prejudice against something

This is such apologist bullshit and not an excuse for your comments in this thread, which do make you bigoted, btw.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

You realize that this is the EXACT argument against THIS girl book, right? People argue that it's just an all female team for the acclaim/shock value, ergo it's a political statement and people don't think it'll be good on the merit of its own story, but rather just a vehicle for marvel's all girl 'gimmick'.

Maybe it's not a gimmick? Maybe it's a storyline that hasn't really been explored properly in mainstream comics, and the writer would like to do so? Maybe it's an organic way to introduce a nuanced, fantastic character to the Marvel Universe, explore issues related to gender identification, and as a result tell the story of a subgroup of people that are so often misrepresented by the media and so frequently disparaged and irrationally hated by 'real life'?

Maybe, but we don't know, because it's not even confirmed whether the character is a transwoman or not. But the complaints against the IDEA (not even the reality) is kind of illuminating and indicative of why we need to eventually get one. Exposure is one of the only ways to combat the fear/'ick factor' that derives from not knowing/understanding them, because they're regular people too.

By the way, I'm not campaigning against you or anything, The Animal Man. I don't want you to feel as though I'm attacking you, or have something against you, or singling you out, so if I did make you feel uncomfortable, I do apologize. But this is a sensitive topic and some of the things you said do come off as unintentionally hurtful and offensive, so it's important for me to explain why it's not exactly kosher to express those opinions publicly.

I think it's important to campaign for equal rights/representation on all fronts. Not just in terms of race or gender.

I like all this. Well said!

[J/O/J/O]

This thread makes me uncomfortable...

[lcg16]

Everyone ought to calm down. For all we know, it's not somebody transgendered or anything. Or, hell, even any sort of controversial addition.

Hell, Bunn might be joking about this new character's literal power set or something. =P

[theXfactor]

What 'act against god'? You realize this is a mindset that is entirely informed by typical western society, right? I'm no crusader/activist, but I always found this line of thinking borderline ludicrous. Following that line of reasoning, all surgeries would be considered acts that go contrary to nature/god. All artificial drugs, for that matter. Why's it acceptable to get a boob job, but not to alter your physiology to fit your gender identification?

And in MU-verse, we have superheroes, and alternate gods and pantheons and all sorts of other sacrilegious realities that go 'against (Christian understanding of) god'. Hell, Valkyrie herself is a god, isn't she?



That's fine, no one's telling you to date/kiss a trans-person, but pushing that preference on a comic book because you're not personally comfortable with it is kind of iffy, no? Since you mentioned you weren't racist - what if I said what you said, but with 'black people' instead of 'transgender'? Do you think that'd be acceptable for me to say? If I said 'look I'm okay with people of different genders and what not but colored people that's where I draw the line'?



You realize that this is the EXACT argument against THIS girl book, right? People argue that it's just an all female team for the acclaim/shock value, ergo it's a political statement and people don't think it'll be good on the merit of its own story, but rather just a vehicle for marvel's all girl 'gimmick'.

Maybe it's not a gimmick? Maybe it's a storyline that hasn't really been explored properly in mainstream comics, and the writer would like to do so? Maybe it's an organic way to introduce a nuanced, fantastic character to the Marvel Universe, explore issues related to gender identification, and as a result tell the story of a subgroup of people that are so often misrepresented by the media and so frequently disparaged and irrationally hated by 'real life'?

Maybe, but we don't know, because it's not even confirmed whether the character is a transwoman or not. But the complaints against the IDEA (not even the reality) is kind of illuminating and indicative of why we need to eventually get one. Exposure is one of the only ways to combat the fear/'ick factor' that derives from not knowing/understanding them, because they're regular people too.

By the way, I'm not campaigning against you or anything, The Animal Man. I don't want you to feel as though I'm attacking you, or have something against you, or singling you out, so if I did make you feel uncomfortable, I do apologize. But this is a sensitive topic and some of the things you said do come off as unintentionally hurtful and offensive, so it's important for me to explain why it's not exactly kosher to express those opinions publicly.

I think it's important to campaign for equal rights/representation on all fronts. Not just in terms of race or gender.

QFT. Couldn't have said it better.

[Norj]

Shouldn't we wait for the character to debut arguing about her?

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Shouldn't we wait for the character to debut arguing about her?

Speculation is pretty much the only thing keeping this thread going until this book actually launches. Let them have their fun and controversial drama.

[Dog]

Shouldn't we wait for the character to debut arguing about her?

Oh, that's not the interesting part of this thread anymore. I've learned today that everyone hates some group of people. I wonder who mine is.

[Thennary Nak]

I know its been a while since I checked this thread but reading this page makes me wonder if it would be worth going back to see it I missed some actual news for this book.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I know its been a while since I checked this thread but reading this page makes me wonder if it would be worth going back to see it I missed some actual news for this book.

I think that January will be a good Month. We'll probably get a "Next Big Thing" That will tell us all about it.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Oh, that's not the interesting part of this thread anymore. I've learned today that everyone hates some group of people. I wonder who mine is.

Well, you probably do hate/heavily dislike bigots and the like, yes? I'd say that would count as a worthy group to despise.

Mine is within the range of the poor and the morbidly obese.

[Norj]

Which none super-powered marvel women do want to become valkyries? I would like to see Wind Dancer and Amy Chen

[OBrianTallent]

Which none super-powered marvel women do want to become valkyries? I would like to see Wind Dancer and Amy Chen

Getting Wind Dancer in the book would be awesome. Excellent idea!

While not a non-powered woman, I would like to see FD become a new home for Arana/Spider Girl. Being young (as Sopia would also apply here) would add an interesting dynamic to this group of seasoned and even somewhat hardened heroines. Both are definitely worthy of the Shield Maiden status I would think.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

Which none super-powered marvel women do want to become valkyries? I would like to see Wind Dancer and Amy Chen

I would love it if Wind Dancer came back again!

[berk]

I like the idea and might give this a chance, depending on the artwork and how the writing looks for the first issue or so, especially if more of my favourites like Valkyrie are part of the team. It was good to hear the writer say that every single MU heroine (and villainess?) will eventually show up, or something like that.