This Just Feels Wrong

[brettc1]

Heh.

I cannot help but smiling sadly at the irony of this happening now, at time when so many people tell me Wonder Woman's book is selling better than it ever has in the history of the universe.

But if they take out those three and then Diana leads the other heroes to victory, we will all be cheering.

[LoneNecromancer]

No, I'm blaming DC for constantly alienating it's fans by allowing/forcing radical changes down our throats. I think the fans of these characters deserve better. Especially when it's NOT a financial decision bc the characters are doing worse than they were pre flashpoint.

And what the hell does this have to do with anything? It's just a completely random rant.

Thus it reinforces the idea that new Trinity--which again is based on their current standings in terms of marketing, licensing, and merchandising--are Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern, not the Trinity as represented by the long standing cultural icons of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.

Except as far as marketing goes, we already knew the top three sellers were Batman, Superman and Green Lantern well before the New 52, so this isn't new in the slightest.

I saw people talk in these forums about this before. There were people actually pointing out in terms of the Trinity, as far as sales-wise goes GL had trumped WW. And now they are pretending that never happened so they can complain about the New 52.

But if they take out those three and then Diana leads the other heroes to victory, we will all be cheering.

Oh for- did someone miss the part where I said the scene had little to do with the plot anyway?

You know this would really help if you guys actually read the books you complained about.

[slvn]

That's correct, but in terms of which League members we were introduced to first in terms of the New 52, it was Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern. And I'm saying that the reason why that was is the same reason for why they're labeled as the key players according to Stormwatch #15--because like it or not, Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern are the top dogs at DC right now. Yes, the Trinity of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman is more iconic, but in terms of marketing, licensing, and merchandising, it's the Trinity of Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern.

I don't know--that might have been the reason why GL was in JL 1, or maybe it was because Johns wanted to play Hal's personality off Batman's. But whaatever the reason, his appearance in the first two issues did little to promote the impression that he belongs in the Trinity of the most powerful or influential or important heroes. If Wonder Woman had appeared in the first two issues only to act like a hothead, get her lasso stolen by Batman, and get basically one-punched by Superman, and then GReen Lantern had made a grand heroic entrance in #3, this forum would have been calling THAT the death knell of the old Trinity (probably with more justification).

It's true that Hal is in the big three commerically, but DC has done little in the New 52 to make him among the big three in-story. This panel in Stormwatch 15 is an exception, but it's one comment in an underread book, spoken by the consummate liar. Against that, put the cover of the widely read Free COmic Book Day special. The three characters featured on that cover? SUperman, Batman, and WOnder Woman? Notably absent from the book? Hal Jordan.

But DC is raising her profile not through anything she's doing on her own but through her relationship with Superman. That's why I'm saying Wonder Woman is being defined by it.

DC is raising her profile by her putting her in a relationship to Superman in addition to featuring her prominently as a hero in JL (certainly a more effective hero against Cheetah than Superman was) and generating a lot of buzz around her own book. If DC puts Batman on the cover of Superman (as they're dong sometime in the next couple of months), it doesn't mean they're defining Superman in terms of Batman; it means they're using Batman to promote Superman. Look at this way; if fans who are not reading Wonder Woman pick up the February Valentine's Day special because of the Superman relationship, they'll see Wonder Woman speaking with her nephew Eros and probably learn a little bit about her world as Azzarello has been building it.

[brettc1]

Oh for- did someone miss the part where I said the scene had little to do with the plot anyway?

You know this would really help if you guys actually read the books you complained about.

Be polite. It was not a complaint, it was an observation. If there is a synopisis of the plot upthread somewhere you can post a link to it. Or provide one.

[Outside_85]

Be polite. It was not a complaint, it was an observation. If there is a synopisis of the plot upthread somewhere you can post a link to it. Or provide one.

There's the preview that should still be up somewhere.

The gist is that Harry Tanner, who's power is to basically lie, cheat and charm people into doing what he wants them to, went rogue early on with the intention of ruling Stormwatch and through it the Earth. To do so he has made himself appear like one of the Shadow Lords that run the show from behind, apparently there are a number of those and the current day members cant tell which one they are currently dealing with and don't have names for any of them.
So he shows up and tells the Stormwatch-members that things are changing and that they need to deal with the real threat to Earth: the superheroes. Engineer pulls up 'the latest images' the Eye, their base, has picked up. And Tanner quickly declares Superman, Batman and Green Lantern to be the greatest threat.

So if you will, it could be completely random that he's picked out these three to be important (he doesn't ask specifically for them), since the targeting is made on what the Eye has last seen. Considering how Diana seems to go places that have a hard time being found, she could easily be out of it's observational reach.

[brettc1]

There's the preview that should still be up somewhere.

The gist is that Harry Tanner, who's power is to basically lie, cheat and charm people into doing what he wants them to, went rogue early on with the intention of ruling Stormwatch and through it the Earth. To do so he has made himself appear like one of the Shadow Lords that run the show from behind, apparently there are a number of those and the current day members cant tell which one they are currently dealing with and don't have names for any of them.
So he shows up and tells the Stormwatch-members that things are changing and that they need to deal with the real threat to Earth: the superheroes. Engineer pulls up 'the latest images' the Eye, their base, has picked up. And Tanner quickly declares Superman, Batman and Green Lantern to be the greatest threat.

So if you will, it could be completely random that he's picked out these three to be important (he doesn't ask specifically for them), since the targeting is made on what the Eye has last seen. Considering how Diana seems to go places that have a hard time being found, she could easily be out of it's observational reach.

Thanks very much . I have no idea what most of that means since I spend all my comic money on Marvel, Dark Horse and Walking Dead, but it gives me something to work on .

The obvious reason for people to identify this as representing the trinity is that he picks out both Batman and Superman. They are actually both vital members of the hero community.

What I would personally find hilarious [in a dark kind of way] is if he has put Hal in there instead of Diana and the monkeywrench in the plan. So when the bad guys do go after the heroes they leave Diana still in play, to their undoing.

And then follow it up with this conversation.

"So you deceived them into going after Lantern instead of Wonder Woman. Clever."

"Thankyou."

"But dangerous too. Lantern is powerful. Having him neutralized could have tipped the balance. Why not pick someone like [insert name of your choice]?"

"Well, obviously I had to be able to sell it."

[S_Rhoades]

And what the hell does this have to do with anything? It's just a completely random rant.



Except as far as marketing goes, we already knew the top three sellers were Batman, Superman and Green Lantern well before the New 52, so this isn't new in the slightest.

I saw people talk in these forums about this before. There were people actually pointing out in terms of the Trinity, as far as sales-wise goes GL had trumped WW. And now they are pretending that never happened so they can complain about the New 52.



Oh for- did someone miss the part where I said the scene had little to do with the plot anyway?

You know this would really help if you guys actually read the books you complained about.

I'm pretty sure that Wonder Woman being downgraded is one of the things I was talking about. Wonder Woman not being as integrated and threatening in the DCNU is one of the many things that bother me. Not random and completely on topic .

[Red Mask]

Guess it was inevitable...

It's commercialism.