Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles vs The Gargoyles

[Estrecca]

I count five to start.

Still not four on four

[Sharkerbob]

Well, that's the original six.

Plus Angela.

Plus Coldstone and Coldfire.

Plus Brooklyn's wife and kids. And their dog.

Also, Brooklyn has a laser rifle.

Plus those cat-bat-electric eel psuedo-Gargoyles led by Eliza's bother and their once-evil clones.

The turtles kind of need some serious backup, stat.

Take your pick. Depending on the continuity, aside from Casey, you've got the Mighy Mutanimals (some of whom are easily as strong as Goliath), Power Ranger-esque battle forms with Turtle Saint fusion form, the Space Power Rangers, the Utrom, Mutagen Man, Usagi Yojimbo, Silver Sentry. The Turtles aren't hurting for allies if it comes down to a "bring in everyone" fight.

Still not four on four

That's why I edited it before you quoted me. :P

[Estrecca]

Plus those cat-bat-electric eel psuedo-Gargoyles led by Eliza's bother.

Strictly speaking, not Manhattan clan. They formed an independent clan along with the Gargoyle clones and the creepy (no offense intended) Demona/Elisa hybrid that Sevarius cooked up for Thailog.

Take your pick. Depending on the continuity, aside from Casey, you've got the Mighy Mutanimals (some of whom are easily as strong as Goliath), Power Ranger-esque battle forms with Turtle Saint fusion form, the Space Power Rangers, the Utrom, Mutagen Man, Usagi Yojimbo, Silver Sentry. The Turtles aren't hurting for allies if it comes down to a "bring in everyone" fight.

How many of these are likely to show up without being called upon?

Because the Gargoyles can call in favors from the Labyrinth, Xanatos, a bunch more Gargoyle clans (including the London ones, who had at least one active spellcaster) and Macbeth. And they conceivably can get Nokkar and some of the fae to give them a hand (Puck, Coyote, Grandmother, Anubis, Odin are possibles).

[Sharkerbob]

Strictly speaking, not Manhattan clan. They formed an independent clan along with the Gargoyle clones and the creepy (no offense intended) Demona/Elisa hybrid that Sevarius cooked up for Thailog.

Oh, that's right. They were their own thing.

How many of these are likely to show up without being called upon?

As opposed to what? Spontaneously materializing on the battlefield?

Because the Gargoyles can call in favors from the Labyrinth, Xanatos, a bunch more Gargoyle clans (including the London ones, who had at least one active spellcaster) and Macbeth. And they conceivably can get Nokkar and some of the fae to give them a hand (Puck, Coyote, Grandmother, Anubis, Odin are possibles).

And the Turtles can do the same with the ones I mentioned, plus a Space Cow Head. And I'm not even all that familiar with the 2003 series, but someone mentioned something about magic powers and dragon forms?



In case it's not clear, I'm saying the five gargoyles probably defeat the four baseline Turtles before reinforcements start showing up. Lexington probably goes down, but the rest of the Gargs have the definite strength advantage. The Turtles probably have the agility/reflex advantage, but right off the bat, the numbers are against them. Again, if it was just Goliath fighting the Turtles, I see the TMNT winning, but not with the other four Gargs backing him up.

Honestly, the Mutanimals would have been the better team to pit against the Gargs. Several have comparable strength, a few have a side power or two.

[Kamina]

Still not four on four

Come to think of it, I forgot about Master Splinter... -_-

[Surtur]

can't the 03 turtles turn into dragons?

Not normally no, it was powerups they had just from one season. If that is the version of the Turtles the Gargoyles are dealing with then..they are screwed. Even in their non-dragon forms they had things like decent super speed and strength, plus magical weapons. If we're dealing with the Turtles at their strongest then it would be those versions probably. Well ok Raphael from the show basically becomes a Green Lantern(instead of magic ring it's a magic cape) temporarily as well so his strongest version might be that.

By far the best season from that series IMO.

[Howard Allan]

mustn't forget Bronx.

[master of read]

bishop could be counted as a ally and if so, i dont know if the clan can take him, considering his track record.

[The Gudis]

Wow the Gargoyles are superstrong, can fly, and have energy weapons and robots? The Turtles never fought enemies like that before.

While a full on comic manhatten clan is too many for the Turtles they would do well one on one. And no there weapons can hurt the Gargoyles, its not like some old scottish baddie in a skirt with a sword. They cut though robots and steel pretty well. Every version has a few superhuman feats.

2003 versions had a really good one with those tech ninja, they can kick each other into steel beams with enough force to deform the beam and get up without being hurt, and the turtles treat them like mooks.

[Slade]

Not normally no, it was powerups they had just from one season. If that is the version of the Turtles the Gargoyles are dealing with then..they are screwed. Even in their non-dragon forms they had things like decent super speed and strength, plus magical weapons. If we're dealing with the Turtles at their strongest then it would be those versions probably. Well ok Raphael from the show basically becomes a Green Lantern(instead of magic ring it's a magic cape) temporarily as well so his strongest version might be that.

By far the best season from that series IMO.

If we're going by strongest versions then wouldn't Goliath with the Eye of Odin and the Phoenix Gate count?