Baron Helmut Zemo's character

[Hambone]

Once a Nazi always a nazi, it's kind've a hard sell. "Oh I'm just reading up on the adventures of Baron Zemo, Marvel's Nazi Superhero!" (And yes, I'm aware that it's actually his father Heinrich that was the former Nazi, not Helmut. But it's still like a hero putting on a magical Hitler costume and fighting crime.) The former Nazi trying to redeem himself storyline only works if he makes the ultimate sacrifice and dies in the end. He doesn't become part of the company's stable of heroes.

He makes for a good villian though, with his over the top monologues and what not.

[Monty_Cristo]

Once a Nazi always a nazi, it's kind've a hard sell. "Oh I'm just reading up on the adventures of Baron Zemo, Marvel's Nazi Superhero!" (And yes, I'm aware that it's actually his father Heinrich that was the former Nazi, not Helmut. But it's still like a hero putting on a magical Hitler costume and fighting crime.) The former Nazi trying to redeem himself storyline only works if he makes the ultimate sacrifice and dies in the end. He doesn't become part of the company's stable of heroes.

He makes for a good villian though, with his over the top monologues and what not.

he did sacrifice himself.

[Monty_Cristo]

Once a Nazi always a nazi, it's kind've a hard sell. "Oh I'm just reading up on the adventures of Baron Zemo, Marvel's Nazi Superhero!" (And yes, I'm aware that it's actually his father Heinrich that was the former Nazi, not Helmut. But it's still like a hero putting on a magical Hitler costume and fighting crime.) The former Nazi trying to redeem himself storyline only works if he makes the ultimate sacrifice and dies in the end. He doesn't become part of the company's stable of heroes.

He makes for a good villian though, with his over the top monologues and what not.

he did sacrifice himself.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Once a Nazi always a nazi, it's kind've a hard sell. "Oh I'm just reading up on the adventures of Baron Zemo, Marvel's Nazi Superhero!" (And yes, I'm aware that it's actually his father Heinrich that was the former Nazi, not Helmut. But it's still like a hero putting on a magical Hitler costume and fighting crime.) The former Nazi trying to redeem himself storyline only works if he makes the ultimate sacrifice and dies in the end. He doesn't become part of the company's stable of heroes.

He makes for a good villian though, with his over the top monologues and what not.

Helmut wasn't really a Nazi though, he was too young to be involved in Nazi war crimes and he has been willing to work with Jewish and Black super villains in the past. I think he would just have some Nazi artifacts to "honor" his family past and would say racist things to piss off Cap, but Helmut was never truly a Nazi. I also think Helmut turned his back on his Nazi heritage when he went back in time and fought his father.

Plus Helmut being just a Nazi villain who gives monologues would make him a poor man's Red Skull, Helmut as an anti villain is far more interesting.

[Monty_Cristo]

it should also be mentioned that Heinrich wasn't exactly on good terms with the nazi party either. he was a Baron. and a mad scientist. i guess that would make him similar to movie Red Skull; who saw himself as above the fuhrer.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

it should also be mentioned that Heinrich wasn't exactly on good terms with the nazi party either. he was a Baron. and a mad scientist. i guess that would make him similar to movie Red Skull; who saw himself as above the fuhrer.

I think Heinrich joined the Nazis for a variety of reasons, I heard Heinrich was a WWI vet, so its likely he was unhappy with Germany's defeat in WWI. Also Heinrich was likely unhappy that the noble class lost a lot of power during the 1918 revolution in Germany and saw the Nazis as a means to regain status. In the 1920s the Nazis and communists were fighting each other for control over Germany, Heinrich would save supported the Nazis to prevent the communists from getting into power. Also I think the Nazis were willing to overlook Heinrich's personality flaws because the scientific research he was doing. However its likely that Heinrich was a racist and had no problem with the Nazis racial policies, he just felt that in addition to that he and his family were better then everyone else.

[Hambone]

he did sacrifice himself.

Doesn't count if he comes right back a few weeks later.

[Hambone]

Helmut wasn't really a Nazi though, he was too young to be involved in Nazi war crimes and he has been willing to work with Jewish and Black super villains in the past. I think he would just have some Nazi artifacts to "honor" his family past and would say racist things to piss off Cap, but Helmut was never truly a Nazi. I also think Helmut turned his back on his Nazi heritage when he went back in time and fought his father.

Plus Helmut being just a Nazi villain who gives monologues would make him a poor man's Red Skull, Helmut as an anti villain is far more interesting.

Apparantly you didn't really bother to read the post. I said I was aware that it was actually his father that worked for the Nazis. If he wants to be an Anti-hero/villain whatever dime a dozen "shade of grey" hero that is in 98% of comics these days he shouldn't be dressed up as one of Hitler's former go to guys.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Apparantly you didn't really bother to read the post. I said I was aware that it was actually his father that worked for the Nazis. If he wants to be an Anti-hero/villain whatever dime a dozen "shade of grey" hero that is in 98% of comics these days he shouldn't be dressed up as one of Hitler's former go to guys.

He would be a shade of gray villain, not a shade of gray hero. Just because Magneto and Mr. Freeze have sympathetic motives doesn't mean they are heroes. If Zemo is an Anti Villain, I don't see why should ditch his mask, he has already changed the rest of his costume. I think the mask is the most iconic thing about him, if he wanted to be a hero he can always become Citizen V again, but as an Anti Villain he can keep the mask.

[ironbyte]

Doesn't count if he comes right back a few weeks later.

he came back only because see injustice..

bucky works for communist, kill a lot of people and rogers made him the new captain america! he save the world and no one goes to him and say thank you! he sacrifice his face to save steve rogers, and rogers goes to him to say thank you..

Helmut is a victim, victim of his father before, and victim of steve rogers after....

when he realize his mistakes and try to be heroic, and save the planet and rogers , rogers see him only as a villain... when bucky realize his mistakes (and he don't save the planet) rogers give him captain america uniform..

this is very unfair, rogers made an injustice, using two different measures for the two different case only because one was his frined and the other was the son of one of his enemy..

helmuth is ungry with rogers, who can't be hungry with such an injustice?

[Melab]

he came back only because see injustice..

bucky works for communist, kill a lot of people and rogers made him the new captain america! he save the world and no one goes to him and say thank you! he sacrifice his face to save steve rogers, and rogers goes to him to say thank you..

Helmut is a victim, victim of his father before, and victim of steve rogers after....

when he realize his mistakes and try to be heroic, and save the planet and rogers , rogers see him only as a villain... when bucky realize his mistakes (and he don't save the planet) rogers give him captain america uniform..

this is very unfair, rogers made an injustice, using two different measures for the two different case only because one was his frined and the other was the son of one of his enemy..

helmuth is ungry with rogers, who can't be hungry with such an injustice?

Uhh, hungry?