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[super1man]

I just realized something...

During the first few issues, when some people were calling the Little Man "Teetotal", I joked about how terrible of a villain that would be. Defeated by alcohol.

Then in this issue, Superman drinks some wine...

That is interesting - alchol and the white T-shirt splattered with Nyxly's blood where she could be living as a 2D being after shedding one more dimension when she was shot.

[Desaad]

That is interesting - alchol and the white T-shirt splattered with Nyxly's blood where she could be living as a 2D being after shedding one more dimension when she was shot.

I'm betting, almost assuredly, that Mxy was in the alcohol bottle (as we've already seen that 5D Imps reside in liquids, from Crisis X 5) and that Nyxly is in her very own blood, and that her power/soul/whatever is 'cast' into the shirt, which is why she hung it there in the first place, making literal the symbolic power of the Superman Icon.

[Desaad]

As for the idea that the Collector is some aspect of Mxy, I'm hoping not, even as I see that there are a few tenuous indications that he might be.

I think it's a mistake to tie the origin of everything in TOO tightly. That there was some interaction, that the Collector evolved in response to what was going on with the 5D imps, that works for me just fine. But that the Collector - and therefore, Brainiac - was a definitive part of Mxy is just a little too homogenous for me.

[ElMacho]

hmm...maybe referring to him as her 'nephew' was one of the ways she had of protecting him? In some cultures, for example, a male child would be given a girl's name in order to fool an evil spirit and protect the child...perhaps this is something along those lines?

When she revealed her 'true face' to Clark, Vinny's alarm bells went off and he sought her out, but she was only vulnerable from the point of reveal and not before that, so Vinny likely knows nothing about the existence of Ferlin...

I had wondered if she was protecting Ferlin by referring to him as her nephew initially, but then I thought, if she doesn't want anyone to know that he's her son, it would surely be better not to mention him at all. I have a feeling the nephew reference is a clue to the the workings of Mxy's trick.

Like yourself, I'm fairly positive than Vyn knows nothing about Ferlin. Ferlin's at the core of Mxy's greatest trick, he's tricking Vyn, and it wouldn't be much of a trick if Vyn could seeing it coming already.

spoilers:

The t-shirt has her blood on it...anyone else of the view that it's going to be one of the 'tools' he'll be using (or at least ought to be ;) )

end of spoilers

It's something i hadn't thought about initially to be honest but as other posters have said here, I guess she could be still alive, on the t-shirt........
I'm not sure if that's the case, it could be, but I do believe the t-shirt is important in some way.

It's hard to know if she has shed another dimension to become 2D as a stain on the shirt...because even a stain has a microscopic depth to it, it is technically 3D......an image of a stain on a screen would be 2D.

[T Hedge Coke]

It's hard to know if she has shed another dimension to become 2D as a stain on the shirt...because even a stain has a microscopic depth to it, it is technically 3D......an image of a stain on a screen would be 2D.

The image isn't either. It still has depth as a physical artifact. But, then, they confirm in dialogue that they're not leaving/escaping higher dimensionality when operating as 3D beings, they're still in the 5D space as well. Which is an idea Morrison has played with before, elsewhere, and here, since he's brought tesseracts in early enough.

[ElMacho]

The image isn't either. It still has depth as a physical artifact. But, then, they confirm in dialogue that they're not leaving/escaping higher dimensionality when operating as 3D beings, they're still in the 5D space as well. Which is an idea Morrison has played with before, elsewhere, and here, since he's brought tesseracts in early enough.

The screen is 3D, but wouldn't an image of a circle on a screen be 2D?, it's not a physical artificial, you can't pick it up in your hand or touch it. Myself and Auguste had a running dialogue in this thread about Morrison's use of dimensions higher than three. A 3D cube can be represented as an isometric cube in 2D space, and likewise the 5D beings (Bat-Mite ect..) can represent themselves as 3D beings in 3D space, but they're still five dimensional, "standing in a higher mathematical dimension". I think the idea of actually "shedding" dimensions and "exiling" yourself to a flatter dimension is an important difference from a simple representation.

[super1man]

I had wondered if she was protecting Ferlin by referring to him as her nephew initially, but then I thought, if she doesn't want anyone to know that he's her son, it would surely be better not to mention him at all. I have a feeling the nephew reference is a clue to the the workings of Mxy's trick.

Like yourself, I'm fairly positive than Vyn knows nothing about Ferlin. Ferlin's at the core of Mxy's greatest trick, he's tricking Vyn, and it wouldn't be much of a trick if Vyn could seeing it coming already.



It's something i hadn't thought about initially to be honest but as other posters have said here, I guess she could be still alive, on the t-shirt........
I'm not sure if that's the case, it could be, but I do believe the t-shirt is important in some way.

It's hard to know if she has shed another dimension to become 2D as a stain on the shirt...because even a stain has a microscopic depth to it, it is technically 3D......an image of a stain on a screen would be 2D.

If you are going that way, then everything has microscopic depth even ink - so nothing is actually 2D but for all purposes if the depth is less than what can be calculated by standard means its depthless or 2D.

[ElMacho]

Ink and pencil lead have a 3D atomic structure, an image of a square in your minds eye does not.

[super1man]

And anyway even if you consider 3D N could be living in the very first layer of blood withing the T-shit with upper layers of blood serving to camouflaging her from V.

[super1man]

Ink and pencil lead have a 3D atomic structure, an image of a square in your minds eye does not.

If you are talking microscopic then I can talk sub-atomic and say even LIGHT is 3D as it has SUB-ATOMIC depth. Then the question become Waht will you consider does not have a depth and is really 2D. In this 3D world nothing is really 2D - its just an abstraction for things you could-not/ cannot/or-normally-would-not calculate?

So if Light is not 2D then an image is not either whether its in a retina or on a screen.

[ElMacho]

If you are talking microscopic then I can talk sub-atomic and say even LIGHT is 3D as it has SUB-ATOMIC depth. Then the question become Waht will you consider does not have a depth and is really 2D.

True, you really have to leave 3D space to form a 2D image.

an image of a square in your minds eye

[ElMacho]

whether its in a retina or on a screen.

It's not in your retina.

[super1man]

an image of a square in your minds eye.

An image is created by light interacting with your retina. If there is an image in a retina its because light got reflected off the real thing and is touching the retina. Light has subatomic depth so the image has too ; i.e. if we are being too critical otherwise even blood stains are 2D.

And we can only imagine what we have got so when we imagine a square I think we would all imagine it as a pencilled or inked square hence it will be 3D. It s just we assume it to be 2D for mathematical purposes.

[ElMacho]

An image is created by light interacting with your retina. If there is an image in a retina its because light got reflected off the real thing and is touching the retina. Light has subatomic depth so the image has too ; i.e. if we are being too critical otherwise even blood stains are 2D.

When did I say anything about looking at a square?

image of a square in your minds eye

Look at whatever you want now, and imagine a square in your mind.

[super1man]

When did I say anything about looking at a square?



Look at whatever you want now, and imagine a square in your mind.

Yeah sorry I added this on my previous post but you probably answered before edit:

And we can only imagine what we have got so when we imagine a square I think we would all imagine it as a pencilled or inked square hence it will be 3D. It s just we assume it to be 2D for mathematical purposes.

If there is a square and its being delineated then this line has a depth even in our mind. Its not possible to see/imagine the square otherwise.

Anyway wasn't this all started to see the blood stain as 2D. I believe you have already accepted it can be taken as 2D, right?