One of the things you need to take on board with regards to this overall arc is that Vinny's machinations have had adverse effects on time, so things have been changing and realigning. With that in mind, this isn't the appropriate 'place' for the Death of the Kents...
I hate that these conversations always get dragged into the validity of our enjoyment, the implication that things aren't fun if they aren't completely banal and bland.
Some people liked it, other people didn't. Stop trying to convince each other. It's lame.
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I'm sure more on here then not would like to see a issue dedicated to this sometime down the line. Also these are new readers who have never seen anything having to do with the Kent's of the past. They deserve to have that issue as well. (geez) Talk about role reversal, I'm actually thinking of the new reader. lol
Imagination/Human Potential vs Physics/Universal Heat Death.
To Be Continued vs The End.
Interesting call on the Nothingcoat/Phantom Zone. I really like that interpretation.I got the feeling the Nothingcoat that shattered into shards could've been the origin of the Phantom Zone. The Demon in a Box, I presume has to refer to Superdoom, but it's soooo clearly a parallel to what Darkseid recently unleashed on Bruce Wayne. A thought-weapon, a living idea that retcons nightmares into existence ... an evil Tulpa. Superdoom is supposed to be a thoughtform given life by Lantern-like technology and twisted for evil by Executives and Analysts.
As for the evil Tulpa/the dark twin: Yeah, Superdoom seems to be the equivalent of Dr. Hurt/Owlman. Which, to me, makes Vyndktvx more like Darkseid. And the demon in the box presumably manifests its physical form as Superdoom but in the 5th Dimension it probably looks exactly like the Hyper-Adapter.
I think this is spot on too. The New Gods are 4D, so they can perceive the 5D world better than 3D humans/supers, but they're still classed slightly below it, hence Vyndktvx's "Demon Box" being Darkseid's "Ancestor Box"--for Vyn, it's another spell, while, for Darkseid, it's the spell that creates incarnate evil like him (hence, ancestor).I've been wondering about the parallels between New Gods and 5th Dimensional djinn for a while now. There's commonalities. They're alike but also very different - but I think they're likely to occur on the same higher plane. Or maybe the 4th World of the New Gods is a 4-Dimensional one and because they're "one plane higher" they can perceive and use 5-D far better than us 3-D types can (We have access to the higher planes, but it is a somewhat limited access). Certainly "Time" could be added to the makeup of the New Gods, which would explain their timelessness and immortality.
Presumably, the rest of the neo-Sapians. Probably from a bunch of different planets/star-systems. Remember, only 230 of Mxy's 300 worlds were destroyed, so maybe the surviving worlds are the planets that had the potential to rebound and grow new super-narratives/heroes (the Neo-Sapians). Also, since Superman is time-casting his SOS, they could presumably be related to the LoS-era Wanderers. I'd like that, especially since Captain Comet and the Oort-Kind shouldn't be restricted by time (if they haven't aged in the future but have been building an army that entire time, or if they can just time-travel).I wonder who Captain Comet's "Wanderers" are.
If the forum devolves into an argument about another story (i.e. "Death of the Kents") it's a good sign that this issue was a good one.
Thanks to The Movement I don't miss Teen Titans that much anymore.
Anyway, I believe you're right in that if the machine was created by Clark, it could have "always" existed in 5D space.
I'm off for a while, that's about all the message board chatting I can handle for one day