Selene, Hellboy, Illyria vs. Loki, Doom, Lizard

[Beadle]

For Fight 2, I don't think a dimension dump is going to win it for Illyria's team. Loki's more than capable of slipping between dimensions.

Not under his own power, he can't.

Unless I'm misremembering something pretty big, nobody Asgardian travelled between dimensions without a) Bifrost, b) The Tesseract, or c) The Odinforce (which is how it's explained Thor ended up back on Earth during Avengers). Loki's dream-travel thing to see the Chitauri leader doesn't count as dimensional travel, because its both: a) travelling within the same dimension; and b) not a physical transportation thing, and he didn't show any combat feats in that state.

It is, as most people are pointing out, a 10/10 win for the Marvel dudes in the first match, and 10/10 Time-stop/D-dump win for Illyria in the second. Hellboy and Selene are just not factors in either fight.

[Drax1981]

I think, like everyone else, he's simply saying that Hellboy has no say in the outcome of either of these fights. Because he doesn't. Just suggesting that another user may be suggesting something that he didn't suggest doesn't change that.

I was not writing about anything other than Doom sitting through a Nova blast doesn't imply that he can't be hurt by other means. Then, when the idea that team one isn't durable enough for the fight was brought up, I pointed out what the slowest and most likely to get hit member went through to show that I think they're durability is just fine.

True, I originally thought Hellboy's arm out be a factor but after having the fact that Doom fights the Thing I abandoned that idea for the idea that Team One's immortality would be the deciding factor. I don't think Team 2's offense is anything for Team 1 to worry about: Hellboy got run over by a train and got up, Illyria is invulnerable and Selene is fast enough with years of experience in close quarters combat with creatures larger and stronger than she is that I think she can go up against Lizard if it comes to that.

If only you took your own advice on suggestions. It would have saved me the trouble of having to go through everything again just to make it clear to you.

[KJ Stewart]

I was not writing about anything other than Doom sitting through a Nova blast doesn't imply that he can't be hurt by other means. Then, when the idea that team one isn't durable enough for the fight was brought up, I pointed out what the slowest and most likely to get hit member went through to show that I think they're durability is just fine.

True, I originally thought Hellboy's arm out be a factor but after having the fact that Doom fights the Thing I abandoned that idea for the idea that Team One's immortality would be the deciding factor. I don't think Team 2's offense is anything for Team 1 to worry about: Hellboy got run over by a train and got up, Illyria is invulnerable and Selene is fast enough with years of experience in close quarters combat with creatures larger and stronger than she is that I think she can go up against Lizard if it comes to that.

If only you took your own advice on suggestions. It would have saved me the trouble of having to go through everything again just to make it clear to you.

Illyria is by no means "invulnerable". She was never hurt by anything shown in Angel (apart from Hamilton when she lost some of her power), which was hardly saying a lot.

In fight one, no one on team 1 is doing anything relevant to anyone on team 2 (due to durability and incredible healing). Whereas Lizard, who has natural sharp attacks, could hurt both Selene and Hellboy. The only relevant damage being dished out in fight one will be by Lizard.

In fight 2, team 2 have holographic decoys, potential dimensional travel (but certainly basic teleportation/portal creation within a single dimension, however you want to look at it), the Tesseract staff which caused pretty large explosions with its blasts, Doom's energy blasts, they still have the most agile and quick individual in Lizard, they also have Loki who can use weapons to stab Thor. So he is certainly capable of getting through Illyria's durability.

However, the timeslow is definitely an issue, and the dimension dump is potentially an issue (depending on people's views on Loki's ability to traverse dimensions - personally, I don't think he can).

Either way, team 2 definitely fair best in fight 1, and I'd say that Illyria would get overwhelmed 3-on-1 once Lizard slices up Hellboy and Selene. And in fight 2, the only thing stopping team 2 from stomping is Illyria.

Selene and Hellboy are both irrelevant in both fights.

[Siriel]

Loki can travel between dimensions without the Bifrost, but he was specifically stated to use pre-existing pathways that nobody else knew about.

So it's not relevant in Khazan.

[Tomzilla]

Loki can travel between dimensions without the Bifrost, but he was specifically stated to use pre-existing pathways that nobody else knew about.

So it's not relevant in Khazan.

They're fighting in Central Park. But I just can't resist...


Loki: If it's all the same to you, I'll have that shrimp now.

[Sol M]

I'm pretty sure Loki can't just travel anywhere at will. Earth was pretty much an exception, and I do believe he needed the tesseract for that.

[big_adventure]

I'm pretty sure Loki can't just travel anywhere at will. Earth was pretty much an exception, and I do believe he needed the tesseract for that.

He knows how to get around somewhat - he likely travelled from Asgard to Jotunheim and back without the Bifrost (to comunicate with the Jotuns), and in doing so he also explained how to do it to an immortal race of magical giants who never could do it themselves.

But again, that may or may not have involved some kind of pre-existing pathway - it's not easy to say. Loki mentioned that there were ways to go between worlds, which may have meant some kind of fixed path, or may have meant some kind of spell/other use of power to do the deal that could be used for more open-ended destinations. We just don't know.