Uncanny Avengers #2 *Spoilers*

[CJStriker]

Just that all know, I have the answers to these questions. But I said already I am staying out of this one. In the End no matter what I know what I read and Wanda came out as a Hero! That is the end of the story for me.

You have a Good Day Stussy, hope everything goes well for Wanda's Dad in X-men.

[klinton]

Fair enough then. I dunno. I don't hold her initial approach to Doom (the retcon) against her. Her sons were very important to her. Like any mother, there are no limits to what one will do for one's children.

After being snapped out of her amnesia though, I look at it as her operating in a bit of a fog. You have to understand that Doom was not the one intent on killing Billy and herself at that moment. That was the 'heroes'. Her decision, while unwise, is perfectly understandable.

[Hariel0079]

Smh Harriel get your issue. she went back to doom to get help to repower the mutant race she had her memories back that was Wanda . It makes Wanda look bad because she went to doom again and it got Cassie killed

Smh, I'll look into it but I doubt it. I know she warned doom about the LF itself and he didn't listen which in the end lead to cassie's death not wanda who caused it but whatever..

[stussyjones]

I respect all of y'all opinions by the way and CJ I really want to see your answers

[GreenComixEnvy]

Keep in mind, that did come out AFTER Civil War had been over for a couple of years. In addition, those stories were written by a different writer than the one who wrote Civil War.

I can see Millar and Quesada believing- on a philosophical level- on the necessity of something like the Registration Act. As many other posters do. I think their fault in their misreading of the beliefs of their customers, and how they assumed that everyone would agree with them.



I think that came about because they wanted the conflict to be shady and grey, but they assumed that everyone would just naturally side with Iron Man and the government. Hence, they went overboard with depicting the pro side as negative and the anti side as is, since people were supposed to be siding against them.



Still, I think making superheroes register is something that either becomes too much of an obstacle to work around, and you get instances like Spider-Man, Moon Knight and Daredevil where it is outright ignored, or you get instances where it doesn't really change anything at all (Really, how WAS Bendis' Mighty Avengers all that different from when they were normally government sanctioned.) I really don't think it adds all that much to the narrative, and it's makes more of a mess of things than improves them.

All i have to say about this is if they thought a majority of the people would side with the Govt they were probably fooling themselves.

[CJStriker]

Smh Harriel get your issue. she went back to doom to get help to repower the mutant race she had her memories back that was Wanda . It makes Wanda look bad because she went to doom again and it got Cassie killed

Smh, I'll look into it but I doubt it. I know she warned doom about the LF itself and he didn't listen which in the end lead to cassie's death not wanda who caused it but whatever..

I respect all of y'all opinions by the way and CJ I really want to see your answers

Huh.....alright then Bro.

Anyways let me just focus on this part. Yes Wanda did go back to Doom for help (and I wish I had the pages to back up my info, but I can not find them, so you will have to trust me), cause Doom could help with restoring the mutants, with Wiccans help. This was also cause, with Wiccans help Doom was under threat as well. Wanda clearly said that if Doom tried anything funny she would take care of Doom. Wiccan was a back up as well, he acted as a shield to stop Doom if Doom got by Wanda in any way. Why Doom helped to me is that he, I believe, does generally care for Wanda. He is Evil, but he is at time a helpless romantic, he does have a tendency at times to treat some Women with Respect (Sue Richards-Storm is a very complex history, will not go into that).

What lead to Doom Getting the power was that the Young Avenger Patriot made a rash decision and threw one of Hawk Girl's arrows into the spell center and stopped the spell. With the Spell stop, Doom most likely took advantage of that time and took the power (or by accident, not sure, have to re-read). In the end, most likely, if Patriot did not interfere, the spell would have worked, not 100% on that, but have no reason to believe not with Doom under threat. I don't hate Patriot for it, he just made a rash decision, that intern lead to Doom getting the Life Force Entity Power and led to Cassie's death. Patriot even blames himself for it in CC #9.

It was risky to go to Doom, but with the Threat from Wanda and the back up from Wiccan, it seemed most likely it would work, especially since the X-men and the Avengers where not seeming to want to have a discussion about it and have Wanda help fix things, they just argue and fought; AvX anyone, LOL.

[SayOcean]

Then she gave it back, so it's a wash.

Not to every depowered mutant

Swing and a miss
Lol

[mikekerrIII]

Then she gave it back, so it's a wash.

Not for the folks she killed or who are still de-powered, and if you missed it Hope and the PF gave it back

[Maddiemark]

The only reason Hope got that power was because of Wanda. Wanda saved mutantkind..the one started it all ended it.

[Mark_S]

All i have to say about this is if they thought a majority of the people would side with the Govt they were probably fooling themselves.

It might have helped if they had actually written down the law, or understood or demonstrated that they understood the US legal system and the US constitution, or kept track of what was happening in each other titles. The real jumping off point for me was Clor. That put Tony, Reed and Hank (later a skrull) firmly into the villain category and they haven't left that category for me yet.

[Mark_S]

CJ my friend CC made Wanda look even worse

You know it's hard to imagine Doom as the mid-wife of the mu, but he's helped deliver both Susan Richards and Wanda's children now. You don't expect a supervillain to have that kind of intimate knowlege of his foes, but Doom's always the exception to most rules :)

[pepper]

It might have helped if they had actually written down the law, or understood or demonstrated that they understood the US legal system and the US constitution, or kept track of what was happening in each other titles. The real jumping off point for me was Clor. That put Tony, Reed and Hank (later a skrull) firmly into the villain category and they haven't left that category for me yet.

And then there was the negative zone stuff. But even after all that, I still sided with the pro-reg side, intellectually.

You know it's hard to imagine Doom as the mid-wife of the mu, but he's helped deliver both Susan Richards and Wanda's children now. You don't expect a supervillain to have that kind of intimate knowlege of his foes, but Doom's always the exception to most rules :)

Wha...he did what, now??? That was Strange wasn't it...unless I missed #13 of CC, where Wanda pops out a couple more kids?

[motherofpearl1]

Just take a look at Watchmen and see the downside of a superhuman working for the government.

[mikeb]

You notice in the expanded group that starts in issue #5, almost all the power is in the men?You have 2 over bound muscle guys (Thor and Simon),2 energy blasters (Alex and Sunfire) and 2 who are stronger than most who are experts in hand to hand combat and have items to supplement their abilities (Steve and his shield and Wolverine and his Claws).What do the gals have?Janet can shrink down,fly around and zap people with her wasp stings (she can grow into a giant,too),Wanda has her hexes but can't take a punch!(See UA#1)Rogue is perhaps the weakest of all three gals because she has no offensive power.Rogue has to touch people to gain an offensive power.I don't see any of the Avengers in the group letting her touch them.(All 5 of the them Steve,Janet,Wanda,Thor and Simon were there at the time of Avengers Annual #10)In Simon's case it's moot because Rogue's power doesn't work on him.This is why I would like Rogue to develop offensive abilities.It would balance out,at least somewhat,the male power dominance.It would allow Rogue to act more independently.Also I think it would allow her to be more mocho!:p

[Mark_S]

And then there was the negative zone stuff. But even after all that, I still sided with the pro-reg side, intellectually.



Wha...he did what, now??? That was Strange wasn't it...unless I missed #13 of CC, where Wanda pops out a couple more kids?

Sorry, miss-typed that. But he helped both women and I find it ironic that one of the great villains of the mu was turned to for that sort of help.

On one level the pro-reg side had a great argument but in practice it was just an excuse for fascism. Of course now it isn't in vogue (Cap's suddenly discovered that mutants exist and are persecuted, what a shock it must be to him) but if the Phoenix had come to Earth when Tony was in charge you probably would have seen a much more lopsided result as Tony was already practiced in waging war against superhumans with his allies and the Cape Killers could have given the X-men a real battle and I think the sentinels would have followed as descendants of the cape killers.
Come to think of it I think it would have been fun if the Hulk and the Phoenix had shown up at the same time.