Uncanny Avengers #2 *Spoilers*

[motteditor]

Nightcrawler is apparently coming back and his corpse was burnt to ashes.

He is? Where/when?

[DeadXMan]

wait the water girl is Avalanches daughter. Tokka was a child when the acolates slaughter his villiage in magneto's name......

They all got their powers recently and hate Scott for this.

[Eric2]

Sorry, but no.

UNlike, say, gravity, telepathy is not real.

If a writer showed gravity out of whack, we'd look for an explanation, since every reader knows how gravity works, outside of the work of fiction we read it in.

That is not true of telepathy. And 'aberration' in telepathy is so only because the writers of fiction TELL US it's an aberration. They have to, because there is no real-world point of reference for the reader.

In other words, writers make up the rules for telepathy. And they do so EVERY TIME we see a telepath at work. That the Red Skull is using telepathy and not suffering from backwash or whatever, shows that THAT IS SIMPLY NOT AN ISSUE FOR HIM. Period.

No how about I help you. The X-Universe is Marvels telepathic hub. There are actual rules to it, unlike Marvel Magic. Chalk it up to better writers.



And yes it is a valid question.

[Ian Pressman]

it didn't really take much effort from the red skull for wanda to try and perform a hate crime on rogue and deliver her to him.

Bottom right-side panel. He's programming her. See how she tries to resist? See how it doesn't matter? It didn't take much effort because he has Charlie Xavier's brain.

[XPac]

it didn't really take much effort from the red skull for wanda to try and perform a hate crime on rogue and deliver her to him.

When you've got the power of the most powerful telepath on earth, I suppose that sort of thing isn't too hard.

Though frankly he seemed to only have been able to manipulate her for like 2 minutes, so in hindsight he probably should have put more effort into it.

Either way, my point is that she seemingly now is free of his control so we can see whether or not she tries to erradicate the mutant race after this. If so, then Skull can't really be blamed for Wandas actions. If not, then we've got our answer there too.

[DeadXMan]

Course, if she were an aweful person like you claim Skull wouldn't really need the use of telepathy to begin with.

Still, now that she's free of the Skulls influence it'll be simple enough to see whether or not that was due to the Skull. If she spends the rest of the Uncanny Avengers book trying to eradicate the mutant race, we'll know for sure that wasn't the Skull. I'm sort of skeptical things are gonna go that direction, but we'll see.

Though i could be funny

Havok:you got that Logan? Ok Wanda I'll need you.... Uhh Wanda?

Wanda: and when I get rid of the Mudbloods then on to the Australians...those wallaby wankers will never see it com....hmm of sorry lost in thought....

[Mark_S]

it didn't really take much effort from the red skull for wanda to try and perform a hate crime on rogue and deliver her to him.

In their last meeting Rogue attacked Wanda at Xavier's grave. I think she tried to do to Wanda what she did to Carol all those years ago. It's also possible that Wanda remembers her friendship with Carol and what Rogue did to Carol so she might not have needed much urging.

For myself I'm still amazed that an actual supervillain is behind all of this. I really thought supervillains were nearly extinct in the mu. At least the really good ones who were dedicated to true evil. Bringing the Red Skull out of mothballs is something I didn't think the marvel writers had in them.

[AcesX1X]

In their last meeting Rogue attacked Wanda at Xavier's grave. I think she tried to do to Wanda what she did to Carol all those years ago. It's also possible that Wanda remembers her friendship with Carol and what Rogue did to Carol so she might not have needed much urging.

rogue overheard wanda conspiring with the red skull to wipe out the mutant race (again). she had a moral responsibility to neutralize wanda, and wanda paid her back by trying to make her her first victim.

[DeadXMan]

In their last meeting Rogue attacked Wanda at Xavier's grave. I think she tried to do to Wanda what she did to Carol all those years ago. It's also possible that Wanda remembers her friendship with Carol and what Rogue did to Carol so she might not have needed much urging.

For myself I'm still amazed that an actual supervillain is behind all of this. I really thought supervillains were nearly extinct in the mu. At least the really good ones who were dedicated to true evil. Bringing the Red Skull out of mothballs is something I didn't think the marvel writers had in them.

Plus this is the woman that was riding her father like a harly down a country road.....

Seriouly mags you can do so much better.

[Ian Pressman]

In their last meeting Rogue attacked Wanda at Xavier's grave. I think she tried to do to Wanda what she did to Carol all those years ago. It's also possible that Wanda remembers her friendship with Carol and what Rogue did to Carol so she might not have needed much urging.

For myself I'm still amazed that an actual supervillain is behind all of this. I really thought supervillains were nearly extinct in the mu. At least the really good ones who were dedicated to true evil. Bringing the Red Skull out of mothballs is something I didn't think the marvel writers had in them.

He's a gem. I loved Brubaker's Red Skull but he could be very corny at times. "Idiots! Nobodies!" This one is far nastier and wouldn't let a moron like Crossbones so much as strap his Velcro.

[Vic Vega]

Its interesting to me that we are looking at a Red Skull that seems to either A) not know that Captain America is alive or B) not care.

Since much of his past motivation has been vengeance on Cap this strikes me as odd.
Even when the Skull looks at the big picture he has a need for Cap to see it going down as a twist of the knife.

Of course a Red Skull confronted with the concept of Jewish/Gypsy Overmen might very well change his priorities.

[MagSeven]

Its interesting to me that we are looking at a Red Skull that seems to either A) not know that Captain America is alive or B) not care.

Since much of his past motivation has been vengeance on Cap this strikes me as odd.
Even when the Skull looks at the big picture he has a need for Cap to see it going down as a twist of the knife.

Of course a Red Skull confronted with the concept of Jewish/Gypsy Overmen might very well change his priorities.

I think his entire plan will also attempt to undermine Cap's plan of working with mutants and making them "acceptable" to the general public. Skull is messing with Wanda and mutants, but he's also screwing Cap in the process.

[mikeb]

In their last meeting Rogue attacked Wanda at Xavier's grave. I think she tried to do to Wanda what she did to Carol all those years ago. It's also possible that Wanda remembers her friendship with Carol and what Rogue did to Carol so she might not have needed much urging.

I don't agree.For one thing,Wanda was trespassing on private property.Rogue is a faculty member of the school and part of her job is to protect the school from threats.Did you read the Legacy issues from AvX.Some of the Avengers tried to occupy the school.A conflict broke out and Rogue ended up using those Avengers own powers against them.She didn't keep their powers.Rogue's absorption power is all she has at the present.Rogue learned her lesson from what she did to Carol and won't repeat it.Over and over again,Rogue has borrowed powers from her teammates or took them from the enemies she was fighting.Rogue may dislike Wanda,but I doubt very much she wants Wanda stuck in her head.Rogue hates Mystique,but she also hated having Mystique stuck in her head.

[Eric2]

BTW All powers have rules and some rules are universal e.g. Wolverine's adamantium skeleton causing adamantium poisoning. Or Cyclops being immune to his own optic blasts.

Your examples above are for specific people. In those cases, I agree that there is a specific rule for a specific person. Likewise, if a writer had green kryptonite heal Superman, I might think something was amiss...yet, you are trying to apply that concept to the MUCH broader idea of 'telepathic powers' and I'm sorry but there is no way every instance of telepathy in Marvel books conforms to those 'rules.' That would require editorial management that AvX showed Marvel is incapable of.

Besides, these 'rules' are invented by writers, and are there only until another writer breaks them. If, in the Superman example above, they never came up with a 'reasonable' explanation for green kryptonite healing him, you'd have to say that sometimes it hurts him and sometimes it doesn't, since there is no real-world example to default to.

An untrained mind without the know how of how to do so would be left a vegetable.

Well, the Skull is doing it, so that just doesn't seem to be true.



She has psychic techniques that Xavier and Phoenix taught her but they're bypassable if the telepath is skilled enough.


She was resistant when she couldn't control her power and had multiple personas walking around in her brain but her upgrade allows her to dispose of these personalities so...she shouldn't have it anymore.[/QUOTE]

[StoneGold]

Read whatever you want into that.

Mostly, that you need to be right so bad, that you're making excuses for the Nazi rapist.