FF #1 *Spoilers*

[Robby Robot]

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Great post. Really enjoyed your art critique.

[okpanic]

I thought this comic had a surprising amount of heart. Reed and Lang's talk about being fathers and how the FF children needed some guidance while Reed was away was quite touching.


Seriously, read the comic first before making a judgment call on whether the story is great or not. You may be surprised.

[Monty_Cristo]

Not really and absolutely not for Johnny's girlfriend, the girl with no name in the comic-book.

you didn't read the first page.

What are her powers ?

a character is not their powers. but any moron could see that she was wearing a Thing suit on the cover.

What qualifies her to be in the FF apart from being Johnny's girlfriend ? Not a clue.

that's because her being Johnny's girlfriend is how she got to be on the team. keep up.

For Medusa and Jenny, we know that the first is queen and have power-hair and the second is super-strong. That's enough, we don't require more to understand the comic. But Johnny's girlfriend ? Not a clue.

and now you have a reason to read the next issue. you know what else you don't know...what happens in the next issue. i guess it was a misstep for them to not cover that, in this issue.

True, no in-dept required. But a little more than no-named girlfriend would be great.

possibly. but it's hardly essential given all of the other stuff explained in the issue. this was mostly about the children introducing themselves and their perception(s) of the Future Foundation. the only teacher they went indepth with was Ant-Man. and, lo and behold, who do you think was plastered all over the variant cover?

Reader perspective ? Not in this issue, she's barely here.

we are not into the story yet. they are not yet a team. the Fantastic Four have not left, yet. it would have been so backwards to just start the book with the new Four already heading the Future Foundation. maybe you should wait for the first trade or something.

Ok, this is an ongoing story but it is also the #1 and a clear presentation of the characters is always welcome for #1.

there are more characters in this one than your average book. we were given a clear presentation of the kids and Ant-Man.

And, for the moment, she is not presented as relevant enough to be "the mysterious character" whom story will develop later. She is just the girlfriend who got the shorter scene. I'm so getting the perspective as a reader with her...

i'm not sure why i'm even defending this. i enjoyed my read. i also happen to remember Scott Lang basically playing Darla's role during the 90s. he wasn't fleshed either but grew into part of the family.

This comic is not calm, it is empty. Nothing started yet and we learned nothing apart that the F4 are dying.
It would be fun the FF get exactly those 4 minutes and then the F4 get back. I don't know how I would do that as a writer but I'd certainly try.

and i'd be the first one to post a bad review; reeking of entitled impatience.

[Rawhide Kid]

you didn't read the first page.

I only read the comic side of the comic. The comic itself should answer the basic questions as the name of the characters. I know, I'm very demanding.

a character is not their powers. but any moron could see that she was wearing a Thing suit on the cover.

In a super-hero comic book, the character is essentially his/her powers. When you defined the powers, you can do whatever you please, but first thing first: define the character.
Yeah, I'm certainly stupid. We already have a super-powered team-mate with She-Hulk and what's the point of having two identical set of power ? As I can't imagine nobody before me not thinking of this, I can't say what she's up to. I liked the design on the cover but nothing in the comic made me like her.

that's because her being Johnny's girlfriend is how she got to be on the team. keep up.

Ok, that's the lamest reason to be in the FF. It's pretty misogynistic. "Hey girl, since you ****** with Johnny, you can be in the team. We will let you explain this at your team-mates and the kids".

and now you have a reason to read the next issue. you know what else you don't know...what happens in the next issue. i guess it was a misstep for them to not cover that, in this issue.

A difference exists between not knowing were the series is going because you don't have any clue on the comic at all and not knowing what happens next. It is the difference between not caring and suspense.

possibly. but it's hardly essential given all of the other stuff explained in the issue. this was mostly about the children introducing themselves and their perception(s) of the Future Foundation. the only teacher they went indepth with was Ant-Man. and, lo and behold, who do you think was plastered all over the variant cover?

Don't care about variants. And I guess if I say "no one" I would be right since they do blank cover variants now.
The children ? I didn't know there was children before opening the book. I bought the issue for the team on the cover (well, more for Allred's art but still) and I'm bored of all those team-book that takes forever building the team that we know will exist. What's the point of delaying the inevitable ? Let's play right know !

we are not into the story yet. they are not yet a team. the Fantastic Four have not left, yet. it would have been so backwards to just start the book with the new Four already heading the Future Foundation. maybe you should wait for the first trade or something.

It is the biggest problem: there is no story yet. 22 pages of no-story. If you can't see what's wrong with that, we have not the same expectation about stories.
It is true that I'm more an In media res kind of reader but I can bare a slow opening. But I still need some basics as what the series is about.
I like comic-books because they are serialized. Or at least the should be. Writing for the trade is not the good way of writing a monthly. I hope this first issue will read a lot better once the first arc is done but right know, it doesn't deliver what it should have.

there are more characters in this one than your average book. we were given a clear presentation of the kids and Ant-Man.

X-Factor #1 (2006): 6 characters defined exactly as they should to serve the story. We knew who, why and what with hints of what was coming next. Madrox and Rictor were the more developed characters but we had a clear vision of the others (well, Layla was a mystery but she was defined as such and it was intriguing).

i'm not sure why i'm even defending this. i enjoyed my read. i also happen to remember Scott Lang basically playing Darla's role during the 90s. he wasn't fleshed either but grew into part of the family.

It's the Internet and we have too much time to spend I guess since you will not convince me and I will not convince you.
You've enjoyed your read. I wish I've enjoyed mine.

and i'd be the first one to post a bad review; reeking of entitled impatience.

Because you don't like me or the idea ? Or both ?

[Monty_Cristo]

In a super-hero comic book, the character is essentially his/her powers. When you defined the powers, you can do whatever you please, but first thing first: define the character.

but it's not a superhero comic. it's about the Future Foundation. most of the issue was spent introducing new readers to the concept of the Future Foundation (it's what Val was talking about on the 1st page). until they understand that, nothing else really matters.

Yeah, I'm certainly stupid. We already have a super-powered team-mate with She-Hulk and what's the point of having two identical set of power ? As I can't imagine nobody before me not thinking of this, I can't say what she's up to. I liked the design on the cover but nothing in the comic made me like her.

then don't like her. like someone else.

Ok, that's the lamest reason to be in the FF. It's pretty misogynistic. "Hey girl, since you ****** with Johnny, you can be in the team. We will let you explain this at your team-mates and the kids".

Johnny is pretty misogynistic. and you'll have to wait until, at least, the next issue to see how the others actually react to her joining.

A difference exists between not knowing were the series is going because you don't have any clue on the comic at all and not knowing what happens next. It is the difference between not caring and suspense.

well i read the interviews, so i have a pretty good idea of where the series is going. my reading comprehension is, also, decent. Reed has asked that these new people lead a class of advanced children for 4 minutes; while the Fantastic Four go on an adventure. and, as Ben Grimm so astutely put it, this rarely works out for the Fantastic Four. so we know that something will happen. we just don't know what it will be.

The children ? I didn't know there was children before opening the book.

then you clearly did not read any of the Future Foundation title that Hickman produced. makes me wonder why you'd try out this book, at all. also makes me wonder why you wouldn't read the first page of the book.

It is the biggest problem: there is no story yet. 22 pages of no-story.

life is story. this was 22 pages of life. and i enjoyed every single subsequent reading.

If you can't see what's wrong with that, we have not the same expectation about stories.

i only expect to be entertained.

I like comic-books because they are serialized.

that makes your lack of knowledge concerning the Future Foundation concept quite frustrating.

X-Factor #1 (2006): 6 characters defined exactly as they should to serve the story. We knew who, why and what with hints of what was coming next. Madrox and Rictor were the more developed characters but we had a clear vision of the others (well, Layla was a mystery but she was defined as such and it was intriguing).

i dropped that book a long time ago. there's such thing as too much continuity. killcrop? whatever the hell Siryn is supposed to be now. two people with psychometry? soulless Strong Guy? all that mess with Rahne's pregnancy? if i hadn't had several years of experience with the Fallen Angles, New Mutants, X-Force, and Generation X, i would have been completely lost; upon reading X-Factor 1. oh look, some guy named Rictor is trying to kill himself. so what are Jamie's powers again?

Because you don't like me or the idea ? Or both ?

because it's the Internet.

[protege]

I have to wonder if reed's powers are killing him, if the other FF'ers are similarly affected. I'm still waiting to see pet Annihilus. And the art on this book is a big distraction for me.

[Harpoon]

I have to wonder if reed's powers are killing him, if the other FF'ers are similarly affected. I'm still waiting to see pet Annihilus. And the art on this book is a big distraction for me.

Annihilus was in Fantastic Four #1, leading his armies in the Negative Zone. He stopped being Johnny's "pet" a while ago.