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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey Fan Dan View Post
    I still have gripes with the Wolverine movie and X2 in general though. Because in X2 we saw an older human version of Hank McCoy in a TV intrerview, and in the first movie, although in Wolverine we learn that they are Brothers, Sabertooth showed no recognition of Logan what so ever.
    In addition to Hank using holograms as Treqqor mention, Hank also reverted to his human form by the time "X-Factor" #1 came out. He switched back after a while. As to Sabertooth, it is also likely that he lost his memories during the fifteen year interim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtur
    My big thing about First Class vs the other X-Men movies is in FC Mystique and Xavier were step siblings. To be fair in the X movies nothing ever says they weren't, but still..that isn't just a tiny detail or inconsistency.
    It explains how she could replicate Xavier's face accurately and knew where Cerebro was. As well as getting through the mansion as well as she did. Note that the substance that takes Charles out doesn't even kill him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vidocq
    Now that I think about it, I don't think Xavier and Mystique even had any scenes together.
    Nope. Raven avoided running into Charles when she raided the mansion. He was locked up in the second film and only Magneto went into the makeshift Cerebro chamber. In the third film, she was captured after she lost her powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surtur View Post
    My big thing about First Class vs the other X-Men movies is in FC Mystique and Xavier were step siblings. To be fair in the X movies nothing ever says they weren't, but still..that isn't just a tiny detail or inconsistency.
    Did they ever meet in the films, though? To my memory... they didn't. The closest we got was Mystique sabotaging Cerebro; which (depending on how things develope) wouldn't be out of character/impossible for his former step-sister to do.

    EDIT - ahhhh, beat me to it Mat001!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidocq View Post
    I see what you mean, but the only characters from the OT in FC are Xavier, Magneto, Hank and Mystique, there is no reason why some else would know if they don't talk about it and Hank only appeared once (in a movie that may not be canon anymore). Now that I think about it, I don't think Xavier and Mystique even had any scenes together.
    not realy. the only time we see them sharing the screen together in the first two films ( They may be ignoring the last stand) was in United when Chuck was killimg every mutant
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    Mystique did get up and change into Stryker and told Jason to tell Xavier to change the focus of Cerebro, from Mutant to human. But Charles was unaware of this as he was held in place by Jason's illusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalorama View Post
    I highly doubt that. THe stuff he said in interviews and DVD commentary around the first two X-flicks made it pretty cleared that he loved working with them.
    No question Singer liked working with them. I'm saying maybe Fox went all "alright enough with that First Class bullshit, we want the real guys back".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    No question Singer liked working with them. I'm saying maybe Fox went all "alright enough with that First Class bullshit, we want the real guys back".
    But that wouldn't really count as "pressuring" Singer to bring them back, as Singer likely would have happily agreed to it before the suits even finished asking the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro View Post
    It's not that confusing is it?

    Shitty future.
    Travel back in time.
    Prevent history repeating itself.

    Pretty standard timetravel stuff.
    Well, I was thinking about how they first promised there'd be "More of that 60s stuff, exploring the mid-to-late 60s", where before they had the Cuban Missile Crisis as the background setting and that's what it amounted to: background.
    I'd feel as though a time travel story would mar the experience of having an X-Men prequel story set in the distant past, because whoever is doing the time travelling in-story is already going to have that 'time-shock'. In most time travel stories, someone either travels from our present to the past/future, or from the future to our present, so that the audience has a point of reference. If this is gonna be someone from a dystopian future travelling to the 60s, you'll have a movie showing 2 worlds that are both unfamiliar to the average viewer.

    Not to say it couldn't work, I just think it's a weird choice to combine DOFP with a prequel set in the past.

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    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Halle...ast-34425.html

    The weight of having Singer on this film can't be measured as far as I'm concerned. His name alone could attract familiar faces for smaller scenes that most actors probably wouldn't bother with!

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    They can leave Halle Berry at home for this one but i like the guy who played Cyclops did a great job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormel View Post
    Well, I was thinking about how they first promised there'd be "More of that 60s stuff, exploring the mid-to-late 60s", where before they had the Cuban Missile Crisis as the background setting and that's what it amounted to: background.
    I'd feel as though a time travel story would mar the experience of having an X-Men prequel story set in the distant past, because whoever is doing the time travelling in-story is already going to have that 'time-shock'. In most time travel stories, someone either travels from our present to the past/future, or from the future to our present, so that the audience has a point of reference. If this is gonna be someone from a dystopian future travelling to the 60s, you'll have a movie showing 2 worlds that are both unfamiliar to the average viewer.
    People have seen "First Class". And we don't know what the world that the older Xavier and Magneto are coming from is like.

    Not to say it couldn't work, I just think it's a weird choice to combine DOFP with a prequel set in the past.
    Why? DOFP started in the early 21st century and jumped back to the late 20th century. The same thing applies here. Only with this story, the prequel is how it connects to the sequels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat001 View Post
    People have seen "First Class". And we don't know what the world that the older Xavier and Magneto are coming from is like.



    Why? DOFP started in the early 21st century and jumped back to the late 20th century. The same thing applies here. Only with this story, the prequel is how it connects to the sequels.
    We don't yet know from whence the time travellers will travel, nor do we know in which direction the time travel will go. We also don't know from whose perspective the future will be seen, despite the confirmed involvement of Stewart and McKellen. Remember that Professor X was murdered in the DoFP future, while Magneto survived long enough to be taken down by the Sentinels early in the X-Men's final mission.
    They may go down that same route with this movie, showing Professor X and Magneto in brief scenes dying in battle against the Sentinels. (That is, if the movie follows up on the threads left in X3 of Professor X transferring his mind to another body, and Magneto retaining a glimmering of his powers).

    Finally, I had expected them to save any kind of connection with the first X-Trilogy, whether through time travel or not, for the third installment in a possible trilogy of prequels, and not the second.
    I count DoFP among my favourite storylines, so I'm hoping all the best for its translation to the silver screen, but I wonder if it's appropriate to give this cast of fledgling X-Men, whom we haven't had that much time to get to know yet, a taste of a bleak possible future so soon into their careers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormel View Post
    We don't yet know from whence the time travellers will travel, nor do we know in which direction the time travel will go. We also don't know from whose perspective the future will be seen, despite the confirmed involvement of Stewart and McKellen. Remember that Professor X was murdered in the DoFP future, while Magneto survived long enough to be taken down by the Sentinels early in the X-Men's final mission.
    They may go down that same route with this movie, showing Professor X and Magneto in brief scenes dying in battle against the Sentinels. (That is, if the movie follows up on the threads left in X3 of Professor X transferring his mind to another body, and Magneto retaining a glimmering of his powers).
    Singer made mention of this being along the same lines as the comic storyline. Ergo, it's the future traveling to the past. As to what needs to be changing, that is unknown as this point. This will be similar to the comic, but not 100% since none of the films were that faithful.

    Finally, I had expected them to save any kind of connection with the first X-Trilogy, whether through time travel or not, for the third installment in a possible trilogy of prequels, and not the second.
    That's just wishful thinking.

    I count DoFP among my favourite storylines, so I'm hoping all the best for its translation to the silver screen, but I wonder if it's appropriate to give this cast of fledgling X-Men, whom we haven't had that much time to get to know yet, a taste of a bleak possible future so soon into their careers.
    Depends on where they're going. It could be to erase the events of the first three films and the two Wolverine films. It could be to prevent Xavier from dying much too soon.

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