Spider man & Yoda vs Darth vader & The Lizard

**Beadle** · 11-27-2012, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Pendaran

Well, no, he has some okay stuff. Getting his hand up to deal with Han blasting at him and all.

:)

I know. I wasn't exactly being serious. Most of those comfortable sofa guys are real slackers anyway.

**Sharpandpointies** · 11-27-2012, 03:18 AM

There has been a ruling on this before - I recall it coming up oodles of times, and Gordon stepping in - but I can't find it. So.....

Due to evidence presented for and against in the past, Movie Star Wars characters are not bullet-timers.

**Surtur** · 11-27-2012, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Basara

Vader's tk has also managed to rip equipment attached to walls before flinging them at Luke in ESB. Don't underestimate jsut how powerful Vader and Yoda actually are.

I'm certain the metal crap he tore off the wall was tougher then a human sure, but was it as durable as Spidey? I don't see how we can know, other then the fact it's "space metal" I guess. It's not like he ripped off a blast door or something, just some random junk.

**big_adventure** · 11-27-2012, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Surtur

I'm certain the metal crap he tore off the wall was tougher then a human sure, but was it as durable as Spidey? I don't see how we can know, other then the fact it's "space metal" I guess. It's not like he ripped off a blast door or something, just some random junk.

Give the hits Spidey's taken without slowing down in his career, I'm thinking "not". Yoda's tougher, but his best move here is to toss his saber to Spidey, and count on Spider Sense letting him wield it at BT speeds with no personal risk.

**Powerboy** · 11-27-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by BlueDynamite

who do you think would win this team up battle?

I take it as a given of Rumbles that teams cannot turn on each other unless it would increase the team's chances of winning. So yeah, the Lizard very likely snags the light-saber from Vader and Yoda tosses his to Spider-Man. So its basically Spidey vs. the Lizard with light-sabers. That does tend to neutralize the issue of strength and bring it down to speed. So whichever of them is faster and more agile.

**Beadle** · 11-27-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Powerboy

So whichever of them is faster and more agile.

Or has Mind Control powers.

I'll just keep saying it.....

**Sol M** · 11-27-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by big_adventure

Give the hits Spidey's taken without slowing down in his career, I'm thinking "not". Yoda's tougher, but his best move here is to toss his saber to Spidey, and count on Spider Sense letting him wield it at BT speeds with no personal risk.

He's going to be fighting a guy as fast as he is, so there is a risk involved.

Originally Posted by Powerboy

I take it as a given of Rumbles that teams cannot turn on each other unless it would increase the team's chances of winning. So yeah, the Lizard very likely snags the light-saber from Vader and Yoda tosses his to Spider-Man. So its basically Spidey vs. the Lizard with light-sabers. That does tend to neutralize the issue of strength and bring it down to speed. So whichever of them is faster and more agile.

...or whoever cuts off their own arm last.

But it probably won't come to that, because...

Originally Posted by Beadle

Or has Mind Control powers.

I'll just keep saying it.....

Yeah.

**da noble savage** · 11-27-2012, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Beadle

Or has Mind Control powers.

I'll just keep saying it.....

I thought his mind whammy didn't work on peter.

**big_adventure** · 11-27-2012, 01:42 PM

Peter fought off the whammy, and once he did, he's basically been immune in the two or three times they have tangled since. It's still a very useful skill in a Rumble against anyone else, though, since Peter took a LONG time to shake it, and, in the Arena, Lizzie's not going to need too long against someone who hasn't developed the immunity.

Lizzie should win against Peter in HtH, but once you throw in light sabers, Pete's danger sense, much greater skill and at least equal speed would seem likely to gain him the advantage. Peter never has much trouble hitting Connors, he just can't do much damage to someone stronger and so much more durable. Give him a reach-extender that can cut through Lizard like paper and he probably takes the fight all by his lonesome. I don't see Lizard's current form being nearly as handy with a saber, NOT counting the spider sense telling Pete how not to hurt himself with a massless-and-cuts-through-damn-near-anything-blade.

If you are questioning whether Pete's reflexes will work like this, remember, the reason that Pete never gets caught changing is because his spider sense prevents him from changing where he'd get caught. His webs never hook onto something that'll break under his weight because the spider sense guides his shots. This was recently expressly shown and narrated as such when the sense was stripped from him - he kept falling out of the sky when he'd web something or swing off something that wouldn't hold his weight. And the "don't get caught changing" thing has been documented repeatedly.