Alan Moore vs Grant Morrison

[Bruce Kent]

On itself it's pretty good. Awesome, actually. But that's it? Even if you count Orion, that one is only a shock to people who read Death of the New Gods. I did, an I had forgotten by the time I read FC #1. Then you have Nazi-Supergirl, as Karl pointed... which is not impressive at all, a hero crossing universes is pretty standard. Again, compare that with the time anomalies in CoIE or Zero Hour.

And when did the point became comparing FC to COIE and Zero Hour?

[a13506]

Moore's fur gives him more padding against strikes but Morrison's lack of body hair makes him slickier in the grappling, so it all depends on the tatics used.

[king mob]

Hold on, Scotland? What are you counting as the first British comic, here? I would have said either Funny Folks (1874) or Comic Cuts (1890) were the strongest contenders, and neither were published in Scotland.

Have a shufty

http://lewstringer.blogspot.co.uk/20...rst-comic.html

[king mob]

I don't think we've exhausted the hypertext discussion just yet :)

Oh good, that's made me want to live another day.

[tylenoljones]

Oh good, that's made me want to live another day.

I do what I can.

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

And when did the point became comparing FC to COIE and Zero Hour?

...not that kind of comparison. I'm saying, one real weird anomaly (Kamandi, made obvious by the fact that he's meeting a caveman with a post-apocaliptic scene behind), plus the nazi-supergirl thing is not enough to establish that the time-space is collapsing. Morrison himself has done more effective elaborations, like Time Commander in Animal man.

I remember that my first impression of Kamandi in the evil factory was ok, "this might end in Dakseid turning the world into the Kamandi setting" (keep in mind that have only read the Wednesday Comics story, which came later), which might be the impression that Morrison was trying to give, only he didn't do much to explain it in the story.

I'm a little lost trying to find the lines in the story describing Darkseid's fall and its effects. I'm starting to think that perhaps the fall is not the one from his final death, but the one at the hans of Orion. I'm going back and forth with the source and recaps.

[Karl O'Neill]

I never caught that.

Really, I remember a few posters wrote some pieces on this. I'm pretty sure there is a lot of Seven Soldiers directed at Alan Moore subtextually.

Not hypertextually :-)

[tylenoljones]

Really, I remember a few posters wrote some pieces on this. I'm pretty sure there is a lot of Seven Soldiers directed at Alan Moore subtextually.

Not hypertextually :-)

Actually, Seven Soldiers is full of cyberlink nodes for...

nah, I can't do it with a straight face.

[Karl O'Neill]

Noun
1.A point at which lines or pathways intersect or branch; a central or connecting point.
2.A piece of equipment, such as a PC or peripheral, attached to a network.

Synonyms
knot - nodule - junction - nodus

[Karl O'Neill]

...not that kind of comparison. I'm saying, one real weird anomaly (Kamandi, made obvious by the fact that he's meeting a caveman with a post-apocaliptic scene behind), plus the nazi-supergirl thing is not enough to establish that the time-space is collapsing. Morrison himself has done more effective elaborations, like Time Commander in Animal man.

I remember that my first impression of Kamandi in the evil factory was ok, "this might end in Dakseid turning the world into the Kamandi setting" (keep in mind that have only read the Wednesday Comics story, which came later), which might be the impression that Morrison was trying to give, only he didn't do much to explain it in the story.

I'm a little lost trying to find the lines in the story describing Darkseid's fall and its effects. I'm starting to think that perhaps the fall is not the one from his final death, but the one at the hans of Orion. I'm going back and forth with the source and recaps.

How else does the Nazi-Supergirl burst through into an alternate universe then? I should know better.

What lines? Everything you need is mentioned in the story: FINAL CRISIS.

I'd be annoyed if I thought you were basically getting everybody to do the leg-work for you after running the story down so much and the writer at that.

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

Edit: I'm done.

Heeeeeyy!! That's cheating!! And here I was going to read the rest.

Good thing I quoted the important bit before your edit.

Originally, I read some more argmenting about me and dropped it, considering unproductive. However, curiosity got the best of me.

I just want to set the record straight. Sure I making a pedant comment with somewhat of an intelectual superioty tone was a mistake, but it was done after receiving mockery, particularly from the person I was talking to. Remember that I wasn't criticizing the lack of knowledge, but the lack of wondering, or the dismissing without checking, and attitude that shouldn't be present when you really like a topic. But nevermind that, let's see who started the intellectual superiority pissing match. I don't believe it was any of the ones that kept the hypertext debate going on, but he original intelectual superiority comment (which I didn't appreciate) came from your side of the border. Something along the lines of "Morrison detractors don't like to think", which brought up the ikea analogy, which reminded me of hypertext, which started mockery. I feel that a lot of that mockery was mainly done in Morrison's defense, even when I'm not really a detractor myself, I just don't like certain aspects about some of his works.

[carabas]

I don't think the time traveling of the bullet is an effect of the fall.

Well duh. It's the cause of it.

So even if the Orion thing is an anomaly, it wouldn't be related to the ones (Kamandi so far, maybe Nazi-Supergirl)

There is nothing in Final Crisis that isn't related to just about anything else in Final Crisis.

Well, Countdown to FC and stories printed before FC #1

Irrelevant. CD and DotNG conceived after FC, are tie-ins to FC, and were most defnitely written AFTER FC#1 was written.

So, the Death fo the New Gods was probably done before FC#1, and, consequently before the end of Contdown.

Eh, no.

Then, I think both are making conjectures based on the way it sounds.

They're making what on what? That makes no sense, man.

[tylenoljones]

Good thing I quoted the bit that I agreed with and refused to read your explanation for that statement, or all the parts that illustrated how I was wrong.

Fixed. All I tried to do, if you were insisting on keeping this hypertext argument going, was to try and point you in the right direction; because your examples thus far just don't work. When you openly admitted to not reading my several paragraph post beyond the first sentence, I gave up.

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

Noun
1.A point at which lines or pathways intersect or branch; a central or connecting point.
2.A piece of equipment, such as a PC or peripheral, attached to a network.

Synonyms
knot - nodule - junction - nodus

Yup. You nailed it. Although, a much more effective way would have been searching "hypertext node". The first 3 web result contain great definitions, it's a bit harder to find them in the book results but it's there. The most handy explanation is "Hypertext sometimes called a network of nodes. A node is a collection of data organized around a specific topic. This node is linked to another node, forming a network. Node is a fundamental unit of hypertext, although there is no agreement as to what really constitutes a node." You'll see that it's also used when talking about hypertext fiction (otherwise they wouldn't call it hypertext).

How else does the Nazi-Supergirl burst through into an alternate universe then? I should know better.

A single person jumping from one universe to another is not that big deal. Montoya did it on purpose later.

[T Hedge Coke]

A single person jumping from one universe to another is not that big deal. Montoya did it on purpose later.

Kamandi, Sonny, Anthro, Supergirl...

Aside from the fact dialogue also explicitly states that reality is collapsing down

(And now I'm getting the hell back outta this thread.)