Alan Moore vs Grant Morrison

[direction9]

What the hell did you have for breakfast?

Anyway, I don't think that's a narrow thing. Hell, even I can be called one. However, I find it contradictory to be blindly in love with everything he has done while blatantly denying influences and homages that have been admittedly done by himself (Borges and labyrinths). It's like loving, say, Muse and denying its Queen influences. Then again, why not, maybe one can be a fan and an absolute idiot at the same time.

that would be indeed contradictory if anyone was doing that

[Darrell D.]

Well, i suppose he could have multiple reasons for leaving.
Another I heard was a feud about the Green Goblin's secret identity. Lee wanted him to be, well , Osborn, Ditko wanted him to be a nobody, because of his belief that crime didn't follow any determinism.

I heard that, as well, it's the most famous story.
But, given the outright shadiness of Goodman (and by extension, Lee), and the way he was famous for screwing artists anyway he can, the royalty story sounds more realistic and believable.

[tony ingram]

That's a great point... Stan didn't create much after Kirby and Ditko...

I liked the She-Hulk.
and Stripperella.

[Darrell D.]

She-Hulk was less of a creation, and more of a 'Hey, let's protect our Hulk trademark, since we have the character in a hit TV show!'

[Libaax]

I would have placed Gaiman above Miller, myself. Sandman has won literary awards, and Neil is also a celebrated novelist and screenwriter.

Neil Gaiman is bigger novelist and more known than Frank Miller in the more mainstream world of books of course. He is known for his fantasy books and much more than he is known for an important Vertigo comics. But i dont think he is as important in american comics field as Frank Miller of the 80s and early 90s. The man who defined Batman comics and the gritty comics decades that followed it. Dark Knight Returns,Year One is huge superhero classic. He is also the most acclaimed Daredevil writer ever and Born Again and Elektra dying in early 1980s of DD comics is important. Plus Sin City.

Sandman is not enough on its own to compete with a man who will always be known for defining Batman and decades later of superhero comics after and writing noir,ninja DD that is classic Marvel stories. If superhero field was a tiny genre in american comics and only then can Neil Gaiman single famous Vertigo comics compete with the legacy of Frank Miller.

He might crazy and a hack now but he is like Alan Moore and Watchman modern classics of superhero field.

[tylenoljones]

However, I find it contradictory to be blindly in love with everything he has done while blatantly denying influences and homages that have been admittedly done by himself (Borges and labyrinths).

I lol'd.

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[Darrell D.]

Neil Gaiman is bigger novelist and more known than Frank Miller in the more mainstream world of books of course. He is known for his fantasy books and much more than he is known for an important Vertigo comics. But i dont think he is as important in american comics field as Frank Miller of the 80s and early 90s. The man who defined Batman comics and the gritty comics decades that followed it. Dark Knight Returns,Year One is huge superhero classic. He is also the most acclaimed Daredevil writer ever and Born Again and Elektra dying in early 1980s of DD comics is important. Plus Sin City.

Sandman is not enough on its own to compete with a man who will always be known for defining Batman and decades later of superhero comics after and writing noir,ninja DD that is classic Marvel stories. If superhero field was a tiny genre in american comics and only then can Neil Gaiman single famous Vertigo comics compete with the legacy of Frank Miller.

He might crazy and a hack now but he is like Alan Moore and Watchman modern classics of superhero field.

Gaiman is more recognizable for Sandman and his work than Miller is for Batman, especially outside of the comics culture.
Miller's Batman work is still a part of the insular super-hero genre, while Gaiman's work was praised outside the community.

[Libaax]

Gaiman is more recognizable for Sandman and his work than Miller is for Batman, especially outside of the comics culture.
Miller's Batman work is still a part of the insular super-hero genre, while Gaiman's work was praised outside the community.

Thats my point exactly. Gaiman is smaller than Miller in american comics and Miller is not as known as Gaiman in book world. Sandman is known outside comics culture only because its Gaiman who wrote it. They know it because they have read his novels. I wasnt talking about outside the community, Gaiman work is outside the community. He is a novelist mostly. Sandman is hailed and loved by smaller group of comic fans. He is not Alan Moore level in other genres of comics. I would rank Moore,Miller before him seeing as how their comics is respected decades later today.

[Bruce Kent]

By now, the mention of Borges and labyrinths is simply making me laugh.

[tylenoljones]

By now, the mention of Borges and labyrinths is simply making me laugh.

Yeah, I wasn't joking in that earlier post. I laughed loud enough at that last mention that my wife gave me that annoyed "what's wrong with you?" look.

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

I liked the She-Hulk.
and Stripperella.

I know, great teenage fantasy, but still doesn't make him prolific as a character creator without Kirby and Ditko.

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

Let's be frank here; all that still doesn't magically make Neonomicon not ghastly shit.

Still, I'd take that over the best of Johns, Winick or Robinson any day. (In fact, I'd take literal ghastly shit over them ;S )

[Darrell D.]

Still, I'd take that over the best of Johns, Winick or Robinson any day. (In fact, I'd take literal ghastly shit over them ;S )

To be fair, those guys know only how to write super-hero books. Moore can write some many different types of genre, they are even near the bottom of his league.

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

Yeah, I wasn't joking in that earlier post. I laughed loud enough at that last mention that my wife gave me that annoyed "what's wrong with you?" look.

I don't even remember, but I think I put the parenthesis on purpose. However, I missed the origin of the joke.

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

To be fair, those guys know only how to write super-hero books. Moore can write some many different types of genre, they are even near the bottom of his league.

Robinson gave screenwriting a shot, but failed miserably. By the way, he's responsible for ruining the LOEG film.