Alan Moore vs Grant Morrison

[Lexrules]

I would leave the moment I would enter in one of your toilets.
You don't exactly have the reputation of being very clean, unlike our women.

Hey, Now your crossing the line talking about our shitters that way.

[Auguste Dupin]

I suspect you'd leave as soon as you caught a cold, what with the state of healthcare in this country. I dream of leaving every day...

Healcare? Make it the weather. You have snow in winter.

[Lexrules]

I suspect you'd leave as soon as you caught a cold, what with the state of healthcare in this country. I dream of leaving every day...

We all dream you would leave to Desaad.

[Auguste Dupin]

Hey, Now your crossing the line talking about our shitters that way.

Low blow, i know.

[Desaad]

Healcare? Make it the weather. You have snow in winter.

Nah, the US is too big to put in that kind of box. Go to California, or to the south, or to the southwest and you'll never see a flake.

Where are you again? Belgium isn't exactly warm and toasty.

[Auguste Dupin]

Nah, the US is too big to put in that kind of box. Go to California, or to the south, or to the southwest and you'll never see a flake.

Where are you again? Belgium isn't exactly warm and toasty.

Heh, do I look Belgian to you?
I'm French. Why do you think I'm so goddamn annoying?
(South West of France, to be more specific, not too far from the Spain border).

[Lexrules]

Heh, do I look Belgian to you?
I'm French. Why do you think I'm so goddamn annoying?
(South West of France, to be more specific, not too far from the Spain border).

Ah, you're not annoying, you're just misunderstood Brother.

[Auguste Dupin]

Ah, you're not annoying, you're just misunderstood Brother.

You ain't so bad yourself (as long as we avoid serious discussions about Superman and politics.)
We might get slightly off topic though.

[FanboyStranger]

Interestingly, his work on Captain Britain is where I think one could best make the argument that you see his transition from mere talented writer to unparalleled creative engine and craftsman.

Yeah, you see a real shift in both Moore's and Davis' styles in that Captain Britain run, and that gets at another important shared influence for both Moore and Morrison: Chris Claremont. The early chapters of Moore's run on Captain Britain read very "Claremontian" to me with less clumsy dialogue, probably due to Claremont's elevated stature as the "it guy" in comics at the time. Morrison has never made any secret of his love for Claremont's early X-Men, even writing a song called "The Day Jean Grey" died that he would later recycle for that mutant fashion designer in Riot at Xavier's. I think that speaks to Morrison's point that until you either find a voice of your own and/or are given the freedom to use your own voice, you imitate the popular styles of the time.

(That Captain Britain run is also remarkable to watch the evolution of Alan Davis' art. You can see the confidence explode with each episode, and by the time Davis is working with Delano, he's become the Alan Davis that we all know and love.)

[Lexrules]

You ain't so bad yourself (as long as we avoid serious discussions about Superman and politics.)
We might get slightly off topic though.

Yes, we do rock.

BTW, I want Superman back with his classic suit. To hell with the new 52.

[Desaad]

Yeah, you see a real shift in both Moore's and Davis' styles in that Captain Britain run, and that gets at another important shared influence for both Moore and Morrison: Chris Claremont. The early chapters of Moore's run on Captain Britain read very "Claremontian" to me with less clumsy dialogue, probably due to Claremont's elevated stature as the "it guy" in comics at the time. Morrison has never made any secret of his love for Claremont's early X-Men, even writing a song called "The Day Jean Grey" died that he would later recycle for that mutant fashion designer in Riot at Xavier's. I think that speaks to Morrison's point that until you either find a voice of your own and/or are given the freedom to use your own voice, you imitate the popular styles of the time.

Absolutely, they both owed a little bit to Claremont at the beginning, but I think a lot of that was 'writing for the audience', sort of a 'get the foot in the door' sort of scenario. I suppose Morrison had to endure that a bit longer than Moore did -- Moore's most famous works were undoubtedly written in 'his' voice and came earlier, where as Morrison's more "Morrison" stuff languished in relative obscurity until Animal Man 5 (I say relative, but of course Zenith was popular in its day, though having only been 2 or so at the time of it's publishing I can't rightly say I know the general reception of the strip as it came out).

The same is true of artwork -- go on Deviantart and talk to a couple of artists and you'll see a few of the more stylized guys complain that they've had to tone down their work to get work at publishers. Once you've established yourself, the company has developed confidence in you, you can let yourself go a bit. You see this consistently at Marvel and DC, I think.

(That Captain Britain run is also remarkable to watch the evolution of Alan Davis' art. You can see the confidence explode with each episode, and by the time Davis is working with Delano, he's become the Alan Davis that we all know and love.)

It's true, it is remarkable. I've picked up some Davis work recently and I've been quite disappointed in it. Not nearly as -- I don't know, alive? articulate? -- as his earlier work.

For my money by the time he hit Mad Jim Jaspers vs the Fury, he had already established himself as firmly Alan Davis.

http://heshouldreallyknowbetter.blog...hings-mad.html

Absolutely, madly gorgeous.

[Bruce Kent]

Since when was Kirby somehow ever higher on the list of who people will know first? You're just making random claims without anything tangible. Unless you're going to tell me you actually went out and asked people who they know.

Hmm... He created a huge gallery of popular characters. In Europe that gets validation. Apparently a lot more than in America. Plus, I've seen many more European creators refer Kirby than Moore.
And actually I just asked my roomates about it. Four guys. They all watched and loved V for Vendetta and Watchmen. They watch and love The Walking Dead. They know they were all adapted from comic books.

Alan Moore? No idea who he was.
Robert Kirkman? Again, no idea.
Stan Lee? They listed the characters he created, including Captain America. I corrected them.
Hergé? Tintin.
Akira Toriyama? Dragon Ball.

Enough for an example? I'm not actually going on the street, it's cold.
And I've mentioned Alan Moore plenty of times before, when talking about comics with friends, and I've never seen anyone recognizing his name.

(And I'm not making anything up. C'mon, let's take this down a rude path. I'm saying something that's pretty obvious to me, a person outside of America. And you americans really don't seem to understand or care to understand the rest of the world. So trust me. To a normal person, Alan Moore means absolutely nothing).

[Bruce Kent]

I'm shocked that anyone who has read Alan Moore's Supreme can honestly say it's better than Morrison's All Star Superman.

It's not even CLOSE to me.

I loved Supreme, but All-Star Superman is just too good. My favourite Superman story ever.

[Desaad]

I don't know if Kirby is known world wide, but his impact on Manga artists is well documented, and given the way they are deified and respected there, I'd not be surprised if the public there knew Kirby more than the one here in the states.

[Lexrules]

Hmm... He created a huge gallery of popular characters. In Europe that gets validation. Apparently a lot more than in America. Plus, I've seen many more European creators refer Kirby than Moore.
And actually I just asked my roomates about it. Four guys. They all watched and loved V for Vendetta and Watchmen. They watch and love The Walking Dead. They know they were all adapted from comic books.

Alan Moore? No idea who he was.
Robert Kirkman? Again, no idea.
Stan Lee? They listed the characters he created, including Captain America. I corrected them.
Hergé? Tintin.
Akira Toriyama? Dragon Ball.

Enough for an example? I'm not actually going on the street, it's cold.
And I've mentioned Alan Moore plenty of times before, when talking about comics with friends, and I've never seen anyone recognizing his name.

(And I'm not making anything up. C'mon, let's take this down a rude path. I'm saying something that's pretty obvious to me, a person outside of America. And you americans really don't seem to understand or care to understand the rest of the world. So trust me. To a normal person, Alan Moore means absolutely nothing).

Mr Holmes is not from America though.