Superman #14 Preview/Discussion

**Rainzo** · 11-27-2012, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Superlad93

Yeah, I actually just said that he wasn't more important than John or Clark and that she'll get on just fine without him in her love life. Superman was just a fantasy crush that she had and knew wouldn't go anywhere.......I just said this. I'll give you that it's not been said that she's in love with Superman......but she still did wish that she was his wife in a fantasy....so that did happen. There's nothing to actually say that she still doesn't hold out a small candle of hope that their impossible relationship will happen. She has yet to say anything like "I don't want to be Superman's wife anymore" and they haven't interacted enough in the 5 years past to tell us this. So for all you or I know she probably still probably has a big attraction to him like before......I mean it's not like she's all that much into John.

But no as we can clearly see her attraction to Superman does not run her life (I've already said this) or even come up really like any other attraction to someone famous wouldn't come up in life unless provoked...which it has yet to be.

I was gonna reply but when I saw yours, I guess you said it better :).
@misslane, we(Superlad93 and I) aren't implying or saying that Lois' life is run by Superman. And I in no way am saying that Lois is with Jonathan to cover up for the fact that she can't get Superman. My Bieber example did justice to my explanation of the whole John thing (I hope).
Btw, can someone tell me how to multi quote? I mean, how do you quote more than one person in a single reply

**misslane38** · 11-27-2012, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Superlad93

But no as we can clearly see her attraction to Superman does not run her life (I've already said this) or even come up really like any other attraction to someone famous wouldn't come up in life unless provoked...which it has yet to be.

I know this is your point, which is why I can't understand why you took issue with my initial comments and why you are continuing to act as though we disagree. There's no evidence that Superman is an important figure in Lois Lane's life. She's not in love with him and she's not caught up in a fantasy about being with him someday. We both seem to agree on this, so what's left to say? I don't know. Whatever. Let's agree to disagree, I guess?

Originally Posted by Rainzo

@misslane, we(Superlad93 and I) aren't implying or saying that Lois' life is run by Superman. And I in no way am saying that Lois is with Jonathan to cover up for the fact that she can't get Superman.

You implied that Lois still holds onto Superman as her ultimate fantasy man and you suggested "Lois never had deep feeling for Clark but she had for Superman," which just isn't true. Outside of one ambiguous moment in a comic set five years in the past, Lois has not appeared to have any interest in Superman at all.

**Superlad93** · 11-27-2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by misslane38

I know this is your point, which is why I can't understand why you took issue with my initial comments and why you are continuing to act as though we disagree. There's no evidence that Superman is an important figure in Lois Lane's life. She's not in love with him and she's not caught up in a fantasy about being with him someday. We both seem to agree on this, so what's left to say? I don't know. Whatever. Let's agree to disagree, I guess?

You implied that Lois still holds onto Superman as her ultimate fantasy man and you suggested "Lois never had deep feeling for Clark but she had for Superman," which just isn't true. Outside of one ambiguous moment in a comic set five years in the past, Lois has not appeared to have any interest in Superman at all.

If that's the case then lets agree to agree

**dupersuper** · 11-29-2012, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Rainzo

I think we should all forget the 1-12 issues of Superman. They were all over the place

Nah: I mostly liked 'em. It was nice seeing Supermans supporting cast again after so long.

**Kymeric** · 11-29-2012, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by misslane38

If you're lying to them because you believe it is the best way to keep them safe, then that's where to find the love in the lies. It's a cowardly sort of love yet it's love nonetheless. I believe a woman would forgive the man who lied to her to protect her because she would understand that he would only feel comfortable revealing everything if they both knew in their hearts that he or she was "the one" and thus they would do anything for each other. A woman would forgive the lies if she knew that she was told everything the second her man knew he could never love anyone else.

So ten years from now your spouse tells you they were a CIA agent all along and theyve been doing amazing and dangerous things every day while you thought they were working some lame desk job. You find out theyve almost died dozens of times and have killed a crap load of people.

Yea.... thats a divorce.

**misslane38** · 11-29-2012, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kymeric

So ten years from now your spouse tells you they were a CIA agent all along and theyve been doing amazing and dangerous things every day while you thought they were working some lame desk job. You find out theyve almost died dozens of times and have killed a crap load of people.

Yea.... thats a divorce.

You didn't read what I wrote, did you? You can't have, if this is the conclusion you drew from my comments. I specifically said a woman would be okay with a man lying to her about a secret life where he has superpowers he uses to save the world as long as it was clear he divulged everything as soon as he knew in his heart that she was "the one" for him. He wouldn't want to unnecessarily put her life at risk unless he knew she was the love of his life. Obviously, such a realization would have to occur before even an engagement were to take place let alone years of marriage.

**robcastor729** · 11-29-2012, 04:59 PM

Do they explain why the yellow sun effects H'el differently ?
Plus
Does Superman know what Superboy is?

**Sacred Knight** · 11-29-2012, 05:02 PM

I think he knows he's a clone from Supergirl, but beyond that I don't see how he can know much else. Despite an obvious resemblance he probably doesn't even know yet that he's a clone of him. Though I admit I could be forgetting something.

**thwhtGuardian** · 11-29-2012, 06:28 PM

This was probably the best Superman has been in the NU52, just some really great characterization and fun action.

**Superlad93** · 11-29-2012, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian

This was probably the best Superman has been in the NU52, just some really great characterization and fun action.

Wow the best? I liked it too, but why did you like it so much.....enough to call it the best..

**Desaad** · 11-29-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Superlad93

Wow the best? I liked it too, but why did you like it so much.....enough to call it the best..

I suspect he's speaking to the Superman title, rather than Superman as a character (ie, not counting Grant Morrison).

**thwhtGuardian** · 11-29-2012, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Desaad

I suspect he's speaking to the Superman title, rather than Superman as a character (ie, not counting Grant Morrison).

Indeed, this issue was the best Superman the title has been in some time. I wouldn't put it up with All Star, or Geoff John's run but it was a solid issue in it's own right.

I really liked Clark in this issue, the character work that they did here made it so this was the first time in the DCnu where I felt he was a real person and not just a secret identity. For me that's an integral aspect of Superman and one that's been lacking, even in Morrison's Action Comics.

On top of that I really loved the interaction with Supergirl and the way this issue built on the cliffhanger from her book last month. It was spot on and I'm excited to see how she reacts to the manipulations of H'El.

Heck, this issue even made me care about Superboy, which is something that I haven't felt since like his second or third issue last year.

**RoughNTumble** · 11-29-2012, 08:55 PM

hmmm

I actually wasn't a fan of johns' run. So much of it seemed to revel in nostalgia for the reeve movies, and I just don't really like them that much.

This is much more exciting because it's firmly in the vein of all-star, the most exciting comics version of superman.

**the Dagman** · 11-29-2012, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Kymeric

So ten years from now your spouse tells you they were a CIA agent all along and theyve been doing amazing and dangerous things every day while you thought they were working some lame desk job. You find out theyve almost died dozens of times and have killed a crap load of people.

Yea.... thats a divorce.

That sounds more like a movie than a divorce.