Who was Jonathan Storm's best romantic interest?

[Harbinger of Apocalypse]

Throwing Daken's name into the mix is going against what the OP is looking for anyway, which states the candidates have to have a dating relationship.

Indeed, it my intention of seeing whoever he dated (or semi-dated or whatever it was in the case of Psionics) and see which was the best one for Johnny and resonated well to the readers. Only reason I put in Other was ones I didn't know about in great deal. Mostly was going for superpowered relationships though I did add Alicia Masters so there is the option he settles down with a non-powered human he dated in the past.

[CJStriker]

I Voted Crystal of the Inhumans.

Ever since the Animated Series back in the 1990's, I always liked their Relationship, they where a nice couple.

[Monty_Cristo]

The problem is, he isn't. I've been reading FF since the mid 1970s and nothing I've ever seen in print suggests that Johnny isn't 100% straight.

*yawn* http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0...uman-torch.jpg

p.s. he's also attracted to his sister.

[Ravin' Ray]

*yawn* http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0...uman-torch.jpg

*sigh* Yeah, Namor does look healthy and BUFF from someone who isn't.

[T Hedge Coke]

Then you do realize that the reverse is true if you apply it to Johnny. He has a past of being turned on by women. We don't have any indication otherwise.

Except, now we have indication, in the comics, of something. As I said, it's deliberately not addressed why Johnny feels empathy for Daken; maybe Johnny's just a nice guy. Maybe he recognizes some of his own ego-driven behavior. Maybe he is turned on by him. It's deliberately not addressed because it's not Johnny's story, it's Daken's.

What I got out of the one issue I read was that Johnny was looking at him as a friend since they are about the same age. Daken has his own issues.

I can go for that easy enough. Daken projects. Daken sometimes, just says stuff.

IMO it was just a case of the writer trying and failing to be provocative....it's just annoying. As I said, using an established character to somehow validate another.

That's not really Liu, in my experience. Not provocative in the sense of shit-stirring, anyway. I think she just thought it was an interesting place to go with the story, with the characters. She's not really one to feel that same-sex attraction, or the nebulous territory between quick friends, compassion, and attraction in general are particularly edgy or novel, from what I've read of her work, just that, sometimes it is nebulous. And sometimes, it's just wishful thinking.

Daken, saying that stuff to Ben, that's him, being in character, jerking the Thing around. It wasn't the writers having a laugh at Ben or anything.
Johnny, really, comes off pretty good in that story. He's a decent guy. That's not trolling, it's just a different take on the character than you, perhaps, liked.

Agreed on the "people Johnny has actually dated" front, though; I confess I missed that in the first post, myself.

[Kieran_Frost]

The problem is changing a character with a long history for the sake of giving some kind of validity to a character like Daken. Isn't he dead anyway?

It adds validity to Johnny too. It was a great arc for BOTH characters; and I've never found the Human Torch more interesting.

Neither you nor I know Johnny has a long history of not being attracted to men, or that he never had it in him to be attracted to one guy (or seven). Daken doesn't know either, really. Because none of us are privy to Johnny still fictional Storm's every passing thought or inclination.

Read DARK WOLVERINE and you'll see where it came from (out of interest, why *shouldn't* Johnny be bi? What's the problem to your mind??).

I wouldn't waste your time, these readers furiously objecting to Johnny possibly being in a relationship with Daken will never accept the reality that married men with kids and womanisers have IN REAL LIFE come out as gay or bi.

The main reason this should never come is that Daken is a freaking psychopath incapable of feeling.

He is infinitely worse. Thanos has more morals and heart than Daken.

Which only goes to show you clearly never read Dark Wolverine; so your opinion on Daken is irrelevant. :P

Put the shoe on the other foot. What would a gay fan think if suddenly Wiccan goes straight and has Kate Bishop become his love interest?

Gay people have no reason to lie about their sexuality; "straight" people do. Why does it matter to you so much that some readers have this opinion? How does it effect your life? Is your concept of sexuality so fragile that the mere SUGGESTION by a writer in Dark Wolverine that Johnny might have feelings for Daken so abhorant that it must be fort and battled and protested?

I've got to be honest, there is saying "nah, I don't think he's gay" and leaving it at that and then there is vigourous counter-arguing any possibility that he might not be 100% straight. And it says A LOT about the posters when it happens.

Indeed, it my intention of seeing whoever he dated (or semi-dated or whatever it was in the case of Psionics) and see which was the best one for Johnny and resonated well to the readers. Only reason I put in Other was ones I didn't know about in great deal. Mostly was going for superpowered relationships though I did add Alicia Masters so there is the option he settles down with a non-powered human he dated in the past.

There is evidence to imply they might have slept together and/or had feelings for one another, isn't that enough to justify "semi-dated".

[Home made ectoplasm]

Put the shoe on the other foot. What would a gay fan think if suddenly Wiccan goes straight and has Kate Bishop become his love interest?

I'd approve. Wiccan is terrible. I don't want him representing gay people.

[Harbinger of Apocalypse]

There is evidence to imply they might have slept together and/or had feelings for one another, isn't that enough to justify "semi-dated".

Was kind of looking more for something explicit then implicit. Something like Psionics. Mind you, I only added Psionics because I wanted to round the number up to six and saw on Comicvine that she and him slept together.

[Kieran_Frost]

Was kind of looking more for something explicit then implicit. Something like Psionics. Mind you, I only added Psionics because I wanted to round the number up to six and saw on Comicvine that she and him slept together.

As the OP, do you think it's wrong for anyone to talk about characters NOT listed in your poll? Obviously (I assume) you haven't read every comic ever featuring the Human Torch; and so you could have missed some relationships (hence why you put an option of "Other"). Have you read Dark Wolverine? And can you say, without a shadow a doubt, that a relationship was NOT implied, in any way, by the writer?

[Harbinger of Apocalypse]

As the OP, do you think it's wrong for anyone to talk about characters NOT listed in your poll? Obviously (I assume) you haven't read every comic ever featuring the Human Torch; and so you could have missed some relationships (hence why you put an option of "Other"). Have you read Dark Wolverine? And can you say, without a shadow a doubt, that a relationship was NOT implied, in any way, by the writer?

No I haven't read it so can't comment until I do and yes I did leave some people off because I was not aware of them. Alicia I only added because I saw some comments in various threads that some people liked that pairing and didn't like the fact they retconned her into Lyja (personally, I kind of like the idea of Lyja). But I added the Other in for romances I did not know about and would educate me on these other relationships Johnny had but was looking for something explicit. For Daken, maybe or maybe not something was implied since I never read the issue. But my opening post was aiming for something explicit instead of implicit otherwise the list of characters would be a lot more... A LOT more.

So, for the purposes of this thread, I was mostly looking for an explicit romance. Something like what he had with Crystal or Raye or Lyja.

[Iron Maiden]

It adds validity to Johnny too. It was a great arc for BOTH characters; and I've never found the Human Torch more interesting.

Not in my opinion.....what added validity to Johnny to me was his stand against Annihilus, not some trumped up "relationship".

Gay people have no reason to lie about their sexuality; "straight" people do.

What planet do you live on? Gays don't lie? People on both sides lie about their sexuality for a variety of reasons.

Why does it matter to you so much that some readers have this opinion? How does it effect your life? Is your concept of sexuality so fragile that the mere SUGGESTION by a writer in Dark Wolverine that Johnny might have feelings for Daken so abhorant that it must be fort and battled and protested?

I've got to be honest, there is saying "nah, I don't think he's gay" and leaving it at that and then there is vigourous counter-arguing any possibility that he might not be 100% straight. And it says A LOT about the posters when it happens.

And you're just being defensive. I loathe these tacked on characters like Daken or Sentry no matter what their sexual orientation. The writer made up some reason about Johnny needing friends when he has friends and family. If anything, Daken is the one that appears needy one because he lacks a support system from what I've seen.

There is evidence to imply they might have slept together and/or had feelings for one another, isn't that enough to justify "semi-dated".

This is your evidence? Very slim. All I see is that they are having a conversation. Compared to the other candidates in the OP, he doesn't make the cut.

[Kieran_Frost]

No I haven't read it so can't comment until I do and yes I did leave some people off because I was not aware of them. Alicia I only added because I saw some comments in various threads that some people liked that pairing and didn't like the fact they retconned her into Lyja (personally, I kind of like the idea of Lyja). But I added the Other in for romances I did not know about and would educate me on these other relationships Johnny had but was looking for something explicit. For Daken, maybe or maybe not something was implied since I never read the issue. But my opening post was aiming for something explicit instead of implicit otherwise the list of characters would be a lot more... A LOT more.
So, for the purposes of this thread, I was mostly looking for an explicit romance. Something like what he had with Crystal or Raye or Lyja.

Thank-you for this response. I will make a thread asking opinions of their relationship. It might just be easier.

Not in my opinion.....what added validity to Johnny to me was his stand against Annihilus, not some trumped up "relationship".
What planet do you live on? Gays don't lie? People on both sides lie about their sexuality for a variety of reasons.
And you're just being defensive. I loathe these tacked on characters like Daken or Sentry no matter what their sexual orientation. The writer made up some reason about Johnny needing friends when he has friends and family. If anything, Daken is the one that appears needy one because he lacks a support system from what I've seen.
This is your evidence? Very slim. All I see is that they are having a conversation. Compared to the other candidates in the OP, he doesn't make the cut.

Your continued need to object and defend any and all opinions on the matter speaks volumes.

[Iron Maiden]

Your continued need to object and defend any and all opinions on the matter speaks volumes.

Well, what do expect in a conversation, no response at all? You respond to me, I respond back. It's called a discussion.

[Harbinger of Apocalypse]

Thank-you for this response. I will make a thread asking opinions of their relationship. It might just be easier.

No problem As I said, the poll was mostly for dating relationships Johnny had in the past that were engaging to the readers and which woman he could have settled for if they decided to pursue that line of thought. Seen a number of comments like the Alicia Masters one that intrigued me and wanted to see who would win out in the end. So far, on the poll, Lyja is number 1 and closely followed by Crystal which I find interesting.

But anyway, a more general thread might be better to discuss the prospects of a Daken/Johnny pairing since this one is more specific.

[Ravin' Ray]

I wonder what Stan Lee would have to say about fan discussion on Johnny's implied gayness.