State of Wakanda: The Black Panther Discussion

[Kasper Cole]

Finally read the issue today and really enjoyed it.

Hickman wasn't kidding when he said Avengers would be about life and New Avengers would be about death. In Avengers we see life being created and altered with a villain who's all about creation while in New Avengers we see lives snuffed out planets destroyed and a villain who seems to worship death. Avengers definitely felt optimistic in comparison to New Avengers. New Avengers has a sense of dread and incoming doom permeating the entire issue. The one element of the story that does represent hope for the future is soon snuffed out in dramatic fashion. I think this story is going to be a lot darker than most of us realize.

T'Challa's portrayal was spot on and I'm looking forward to see more of his new abilities. I'm interested in seeing what Hickman was hinting at about Reed and T'Challa's relationship in Fantastic Four. The T'Challa/Namor confrontation is obviously going to something to look out for. still wondering how Beast is going to be brought into the group and if they'll address his new look.

As for the complaints about T'Challa being focused on "too much" in this issue, those complaints were expected. Most of the regulars in this thread saw it coming from the moment this book was announced. Everything I could say about that has already been said about it in this thread and others so I wont be speaking on it anymore after this. The absurdity of it all isn't worth my time and I hope the rest of you don't get too bogged down in that foolishness. Haters are gonna hate and if you just leave them be to complaint incessantly about one thing in a solid start to a series their true motives will become apparent to all.

[Mr MajestiK]

Finally read the issue today and really enjoyed it.

Hickman wasn't kidding when he said Avengers would be about life and New Avengers would be about death. In Avengers we see life being created and altered with a villain who's all about creation while in New Avengers we see lives snuffed out planets destroyed and a villain who seems to worship death. Avengers definitely felt optimistic in comparison to New Avengers. New Avengers has a sense of dread and incoming doom permeating the entire issue. The one element of the story that does represent hope for the future is soon snuffed out in dramatic fashion. I think this story is going to be a lot darker than most of us realize.

T'Challa's portrayal was spot on and I'm looking forward to see more of his new abilities. I'm interested in seeing what Hickman was hinting at about Reed and T'Challa's relationship in Fantastic Four. The T'Challa/Namor confrontation is obviously going to something to look out for. still wondering how Beast is going to be brought into the group and if they'll address his new look.

As for the complaints about T'Challa being focused on "too much" in this issue, those complaints were expected. Most of the regulars in this thread saw it coming from the moment this book was announced. Everything I could say about that has already been said about it in this thread and others so I wont be speaking on it anymore after this. The absurdity of it all isn't worth my time and I hope the rest of you don't get too bogged down in that foolishness. Haters are gonna hate and if you just leave them be to complaint incessantly about one thing in a solid start to a series their true motives will become apparent to all.

There's not really much I can add after this solid post other than to ask whether the haters are doubting Jonathan Hickman's ability to deliver the metaphysical goods as part of the NA/Illuminati narrative?

If the answer to this question is yes, then I have to say that hate is a terrible thing.

[rsreed13]

So, N'Kono, T'Dori, and Kimo are all siblings. Their father's grandfather (so their great-grandfather) was T'Kono, aka "The Wall" who was the Black Panther of his time.

So, in all likelihood (barring any S'Yan-like situations) T'Kono would be Azzuri's father, and T'Challa's great grandfather as well. Which makes T'Challa and the three kids second cousins.

Correction, Hickman said on his formspring that N'Kono was T'Challa's blood relative, but the others were not. So when N'Kono says that T'Dori and Kimo are his sister and brother, he meant in a less literal way than I initially read it.

[marvell2100]

Finally read the issue today and really enjoyed it.

Hickman wasn't kidding when he said Avengers would be about life and New Avengers would be about death. In Avengers we see life being created and altered with a villain who's all about creation while in New Avengers we see lives snuffed out planets destroyed and a villain who seems to worship death. Avengers definitely felt optimistic in comparison to New Avengers. New Avengers has a sense of dread and incoming doom permeating the entire issue. The one element of the story that does represent hope for the future is soon snuffed out in dramatic fashion. I think this story is going to be a lot darker than most of us realize.

T'Challa's portrayal was spot on and I'm looking forward to see more of his new abilities. I'm interested in seeing what Hickman was hinting at about Reed and T'Challa's relationship in Fantastic Four. The T'Challa/Namor confrontation is obviously going to something to look out for. still wondering how Beast is going to be brought into the group and if they'll address his new look.

As for the complaints about T'Challa being focused on "too much" in this issue, those complaints were expected. Most of the regulars in this thread saw it coming from the moment this book was announced. Everything I could say about that has already been said about it in this thread and others so I wont be speaking on it anymore after this. The absurdity of it all isn't worth my time and I hope the rest of you don't get too bogged down in that foolishness. Haters are gonna hate and if you just leave them be to complaint incessantly about one thing in a solid start to a series their true motives will become apparent to all.

I agree. I'm going to really try my best but from this time forward, I will not engage in any circular, futile, ridiculous, inane, counter-productive, unnecessary or just plain stupid arguments regarding Hickman's use of T'Challa with the Unfans. As a member of the CBB, this I do pledge to try.

Signed--The Brother With No Name.

[RolandJP]

I agree. I'm going to really try my best but from this time forward, I will not engage in any circular, futile, ridiculous, inane, counter-productive, unnecessary or just plain stupid arguments regarding Hickman's use of T'Challa with the Unfans. As a member of the CBB, this I do pledge to try.

Signed--The Brother With No Name.

I will as well. Tho i will say a Namor joke every now and then.


To celebrate the release of New Avengers. At my local diner..I ordered a NAMOR.

which is 2 chicken wings and a fish fillet.

[marvell2100]

I will as well. Tho i will say a Namor joke every now and then.


To celebrate the release of New Avengers. At my local diner..I ordered a NAMOR.

which is 2 chicken wings and a fish fillet.

Lol. And Tar Tar Sauce. We must have our Tar Tar Sauce.

[Moose100]

I agree. I'm going to really try my best but from this time forward, I will not engage in any circular, futile, ridiculous, inane, counter-productive, unnecessary or just plain stupid arguments regarding Hickman's use of T'Challa with the Unfans. As a member of the CBB, this I do pledge to try.

Signed--The Brother With No Name.

Same here.

[Genki Sudo]

I agree. I'm going to really try my best but from this time forward, I will not engage in any circular, futile, ridiculous, inane, counter-productive, unnecessary or just plain stupid arguments regarding Hickman's use of T'Challa with the Unfans. As a member of the CBB, this I do pledge to try.

Signed--The Brother With No Name.

What brother Marvell said but with a scowl

[marvell2100]

Same here.

Cool dude.

What brother Marvell said but with a scowl

Lol! Fierce!

[Moose100]

Cool dude.



Lol! Fierce!

Lol

The Pledge.

[Memnoch]

You guys are awesome!

[Dkrook]

Love and respect to all you brothas and sisters, but i'm buggin' out on this one. While you guys stand in the light of right, i'll move silently in the shadows and strike when necessary.

[Deus ex Chris]

I was a little disappointed with NA but not because of the Panther. I thought Hickman handled him well. I found the issue a little too ponderous and lost in its own grandiosity much like Avengers #1. It's cold and formal and really a bit of a museum piece. Yeah, the art is great and the writing beautiful, but it could stand to feel more personal. I'm sure we'll get more of that next issue when T'Challa confronts Namor (at least I hope we do). Hickman's great, but his Avengers books have both started without any heart. Gotta say I loved seeing the Panther strut his stuff, though. That was pretty fun and gorgeously presented.

[Superman Priime]

Love and respect to all you brothas and sisters, but i'm buggin' out on this one. While you guys stand in the light of right, i'll move silently in the shadows and strike when necessary.

Say word. I'm not gonna confront the haters all the time, I'll pick my battles, but sometimes you gotta drop the hammer on these fools.

[Genki Sudo]

Love and respect to all you brothas and sisters, but i'm buggin' out on this one. While you guys stand in the light of right, i'll move silently in the shadows and strike when necessary.

Say word. I'm not gonna confront the haters all the time, I'll pick my battles, but sometimes you gotta drop the hammer on these fools.

Much love and I wish you both well, may the force be with you