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    I think its more true to the character, to be far less tolerant.

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    He used to be. I remember whenever a new guy would pop up like say, Ghost Rider Spidey would be a little standoffish towards their more violent ways. I remember him lecturing Darkhawk back in the day about not going down that path.

    The problem is it's kind of hard to portray him that way now when he pals around with guys like Wolverine on a regular basis.

    Spidey and Captain America used to be the main anti killing heroes I think. Now since more heroes are shown to kill they have brushed that under the rug.
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    Everything I can remember is this being his general attitude toward Anti-Heroes. He may not try to take them in (though sometimes), but he does let them know where he stands. I think he's the one who got the Punisher arrested back in the early 80s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by destro View Post
    He used to be. I remember whenever a new guy would pop up like say, Ghost Rider Spidey would be a little standoffish towards their more violent ways. I remember him lecturing Darkhawk back in the day about not going down that path.

    The problem is it's kind of hard to portray him that way now when he pals around with guys like Wolverine on a regular basis.

    Spidey and Captain America used to be the main anti killing heroes I think. Now since more heroes are shown to kill they have brushed that under the rug.
    I think you have a point here. Especially since now Spider-Man is on all these different teams, it'd be difficutl for them to stick to his normal character traits. Another reason he shouldn't be on teams, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by destro View Post
    He used to be. I remember whenever a new guy would pop up like say, Ghost Rider Spidey would be a little standoffish towards their more violent ways. I remember him lecturing Darkhawk back in the day about not going down that path.

    The problem is it's kind of hard to portray him that way now when he pals around with guys like Wolverine on a regular basis.

    Spidey and Captain America used to be the main anti killing heroes I think. Now since more heroes are shown to kill they have brushed that under the rug.
    Well Wolverine has kind of chilled out recently. He's the head of a school. Is on the Avengers.

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    There is already so many characters like that...especially in Marvel comics. Just what the world needs, one more of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xal View Post
    Well Wolverine has kind of chilled out recently. He's the head of a school. Is on the Avengers.
    I'm not trying to turn this into a Wolverine bashing thread or anything, there are enough of those already.

    Just saying in the past Spidey really strongly disapproved of heroes who regularly killed like Wolverine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xal View Post
    I don't think it's out of character for him to overreact towards antiheroes. Pete tends to allow his emotions to get the best of him a lot of the time.
    Definitely. Though I might quibble with the word "overreact." What is the proper response to a hitman like Deadpool?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthfury78 View Post
    Come to think of it, Spidey has three anti-heroines that he's confronted in the past: Spider-Woman, Silver Sable, and Black Widow.
    Dude, seriously...... DROP IT !

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    I think part of Spider-Man's greater tolerance for anti-heroes is that as he's matured as a superhero and a person, he's come to recognize the shades of gray that permeate the fight against evil. He's still against killing bad guys as a solution to dealing with them and the misery they cause, both personally and from a moral vantage point, one that he's willing to call on when dealing with anybody advocating such a position (like Clint Barton and Harry Osborn at the times they were about to kill Norman Osborn during Dark Reign, for recent examples). However, he's not as visceral about it as he used to be, again because he's come to recognize that there are shades of gray when you're dealing with villains who either can't be contained by the law or who've gained power by perverting the law to their advantage. Furthermore, he's matured enough to be less overtly condemnatory, though he will still not approve of anybody who kills bad guys as their solution to the problems bad guys present, and he will try to stop them every time they do try to kill a bad guy. For those who keep citing Wolverine, as written by Jason Aaron in his recent arcs, Wolverine is trying his damnedest not to be a killer anymore because he's seen where it leads (Hell) and he hates himself for it. (Blame the other writers for the inconsistencies.)

    On the subject of Morbius, the reason Spider-Man comes at him so hard is that Morbius is literally hardwired to kill due to his vampire-like bloodlust and the last few times Spidey saw him, Morbius couldn't contain that bloodlust and nearly killed innocent people in a frenzy. From Spidey's perspective, as unfair as it might be to us in the audience, Morbius is a rabid animal who can't control his urges sufficiently to be trusted around people and so for the sake of the people he'd end up hurting or killing, Spidey has take him down.
    Back in black, the hunter is ready to claim his prey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Definitely. Though I might quibble with the word "overreact." What is the proper response to a hitman like Deadpool?
    If there's a person who you either don't know or is in a moral grey area I don't think you should be the one to throw the first punch. Especially when that person is just trying to talk to you. See what they are saying first. I mean isn't that the classic hero vs hero fight cliche. They have some misunderstanding? That's pretty much what AvX was. Heck even in Spider-Men Pete freaks out and starts attacking Miles.

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    Deadpool is not particularly morally grey, he always has been and always will be a killer, it just depends on whether he goes after genuine scumbags or innocent folks, he has done both in the past and being Deadpool, neither was out of character. Plus, the dude is nuts. Just because he doesn't know if/why he killed the clerk, it is more than plausible that he did.

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