Kirk vs. Data

**Powerboy** · 11-24-2012, 09:22 AM

Not in a fight. But remember Landru and the various artificial intelligences Kirk convinced to self-destruct by capturing them in logic loops. Describe what happens when Kirk tries that with Data. Clearly this isn't meant as a serious thread so much as the comedy value of Kirk trying those TOS tricks on Data.

**The MunchKING** · 11-24-2012, 09:31 AM

Data over analysises the CONTEXT of the logic puzzles, and tries to derive Kirk's modivation, and ends up being pretty funny, like when he kills all those jokes on ST:TNG.

**Omegalith** · 11-24-2012, 09:49 AM

As can be seen here, this works best as a team effort.

**Surtur** · 11-24-2012, 09:55 AM

I thought Data can adapt and learn? So if there was a logic loophole wouldn't he just..well, recognize it was a logic loophole instead of self destructing?

Originally Posted by Omegalith

As can be seen here, this works best as a team effort.

When I saw Spocks hand seemed to moving in the direction of his pants I thought this clip was going to take a completely different route.

**Omegalith** · 11-24-2012, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Surtur

I thought Data can adapt and learn? So if there was a logic loophole wouldn't he just..well, recognize it was a logic loophole instead of self destructing?

Data: "With all due respect Captain, this isn't going to work."

Kirk: "My logic is to be illogical Mr Data, that is my advantage. Now listen carefully: Bats are Butterflies because they both have wings."

Data: "No."

Kirk: "I can keep this up all day y'know. Beauty is an anvil lacking a hammer with which to feel it's surroundings. Twelve is a fish. Porcupines are God."

When I saw Spocks hand seemed to moving in the direction of his pants I thought this clip was going to take a completely different route.

That's also called "The Explosive".

**dupersuper** · 11-28-2012, 12:00 AM

Yeah: Datas positronic brain is supposed to come pretty close to human (despite the obvious differences), I don't see Kirk pulling off one of his patented "talk the computer to death" maneuvers. Though, for the record, and EU so likely not admissible in Rumbles, Kirk did kinda' beat Data (and Worf, and Geordi...) in the novels.

**Beadle** · 11-28-2012, 12:28 AM

Ah, I love me some Star Trek science.

"Positronic brain." Heh.

So his brain is made of anti-matter. And charged anti-matter at that. What could possibly go wrong with a design like that? o_0

Actually, this is one situation where "reversing the polarity" might actually be somewhere close to making sense.

**The Watcher** · 11-28-2012, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Beadle

Ah, I love me some Star Trek science.

"Positronic brain." Heh.

So his brain is made of anti-matter. And charged anti-matter at that. What could possibly go wrong with a design like that? o_0

Actually, this is one situation where "reversing the polarity" might actually be somewhere close to making sense.

Blame that one on Isaac Asimov, one of the founding fathers of robot science fiction. They took the term from him as a homage.

**Surtur** · 11-28-2012, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by Omegalith

Data: "With all due respect Captain, this isn't going to work."

Kirk: "My logic is to be illogical Mr Data, that is my advantage. Now listen carefully: Bats are Butterflies because they both have wings."

Data: "No."

Kirk: "I can keep this up all day y'know. Beauty is an anvil lacking a hammer with which to feel it's surroundings. Twelve is a fish. Porcupines are God."

I just got the image of Kirk asking "What does god need with porcupines?"

**Beadle** · 11-28-2012, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Watcher

Blame that one on Isaac Asimov, one of the founding fathers of robot science fiction. They took the term from him as a homage.

A little part of me just died inside. :(

**HVulpes** · 11-28-2012, 08:17 AM

Counter-question:

Could Data devise a logic problem which would shut down Kirk's brain?

(Example: Captain, I am the love child between you and a computer.)

**Powerboy** · 11-28-2012, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by HVulpes

Counter-question:

Could Data devise a logic problem which would shut down Kirk's brain?

(Example: Captain, I am the love child between you and a computer.)

Data: Captain Kirk, you are now 140 years old and have spent 100 of those years trying to get me to short out by getting me to accept circular logic that simply is not true. One definition of insanity is trying the same tactic over and over with the same results and yet expecting that the results will be different the next time. I would suggest that you might be just a little bit out of your mind.

Kirk: I'll- get- you- yet.

Or alternately...

Kirk: You are imperfect. You made a mistake. Therefore you must self-destruct.

Data: I never said I was perfect. I will correct that mistake. Why would you want to induce suicide in someone for a mistake? What is wrong with you?

Kirk: Er, um...

**big_adventure** · 11-28-2012, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by HVulpes

Counter-question:

Could Data devise a logic problem which would shut down Kirk's brain?

(Example: Captain, I am the love child between you and a computer.)

Kirk would say "It's about damn time - you bang everything in the universe, you get some strange-ass offspring."

**Shellhead** · 11-28-2012, 02:27 PM

Data speedblitzes Kirk. He can both think and speak faster than Kirk, responding and rebutting everything immediately. And if Kirk can go all day, Data can go indefinitely, without getting tired, bored, or impatient. Data also doesn't need food or bathroom breaks.