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    Default Amatsu-Mikaboshi and the Chaos War

    It was an interesting story arc. Amatsu-Mikaboshi's final form fit the entity well. However, the writers of Chaos Wars heavily messed with the cosmology of the Marvel Universe established by previous writers and pulled some weird stuff with Earth's gods. The way reality worked in it was "flimsy" and without "structure", using the best words I can think of to describe it. The reason for me posting this will make sense at the end.

    The void

    I don't like stories that involve the breakdown of existence because that is so hard to visualize or conceive and it is with stories like this that the definitions of keywords such as "void", "nothingness", "existence", and "reality" become blurry. Amatsu-Mikaboshi was trying to bring the multiverse back to the void that preceded existence (though it was never explicitly said that he was trying to destroy the multiverse). My problem is that this would require Mikaboshi's existence if it is all "returning" to him.

    Later in the issue involving Thor and the Silver Surfer, it was revealed that Mikaboshi was an aspect of Oblivion. Remember that [this] Oblivion is limited to the Earth-616 universes. Yet, he is saying that it is all the universes that will end with him (this can be inferred from Mikaboshi's accomplishments and directly read in Oblivion's statements).

    These are kinda the same reasons I try to repress my memory of Hunger and the Marquis of Death. It's all interrelated.

    The Earth's gods

    Gaea plays a special role in this arc, having emerged from the nothing and the chaos (if there is chaos then it follow that there is something with that attribute). This is kind of strange because the tale implies that this void was where the Earth was even though there is the rest of the universe around it. It's kind of a blurry depiction, really.

    As for this matter and the other gods, it just sounds like too big of a threat for them to deal with. They're mystical, not cosmic. They're fightning nothingness which isn't a thing.

    The resolution

    So the Chaos King, who has destroyed 98.76% of the multiverse, according to Cho (where does he even get the data to calculate this from?), is tricked into entering the Continuum universe (another thing I disliked) to save the day. Before I go on and elaborate does anyone else see an issue here?

    The Chaos King who has destroyed or devoured other realities is defeated by trapping him in a duplicate reality. It doesn't make much sense because if he can destroy universes then he should be able to escape them. Also, it's kinda begs the question of how you can have a pocket of nothingness.

    In conclusion

    I know that this storyline has its detractors, but it was an interesting thing. It's kind of like my thoughts on DC's Final Crisis: the story was good (though Final Crisis is more like a work of genius due to its metaphors) but I just don't like the way reality works in it. My reason for this thread is that I want to know if anyone understands what I mean by all of this and if anyone shares similar preferences to me with regard to "structure". Browsing the forum on related topics like the Marvel Universe's power hierarchy and cosmology has led me to one or two users who seem to have some similar perspectives as me in at least one respect.

    As an aside, I read some of the Incredible Hercules series and I love its humor.
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    Regardless of how good chaos war was, the Ares mini series where mikaboshi first appeared..... (i think) is freaking supurb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieartman View Post
    Regardless of how good chaos war was, the Ares mini series where mikaboshi first appeared..... (i think) is freaking supurb
    Completely by itself [Chaos War] it's fine, but in the context of the Marvel Universe/Multiverse/Omniverse/whatever it lacks adherence to Marvel's usual thing where events are limited/bound to one universe. Just as well, the gods were depicted as having a hand in the creation of the universe, putting them on par with entities like Galactus and Eternity in importance. It read like a Greek creation story where Gaea is born from the void. To me, this gives her greater stature than she actually has. As for the Chaos King, although he was retconned into being an aspect of Oblivion—it's easier to comprehend what Oblivion is than it is to comprehend nothingness, though Oblivion was saying he was nothingness in the retcon—his scale was too great. This is the same for the bubble universes and Continuum.
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    Do you think it could be possible to retcon him into something less? Maybe call his boasts exaggerations?
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