Newsarama Wonder Girl's Origin Continues in TEEN TITANS #14

[chastmastr]

Because it reveals your sensitivities and overall lack of faith in your own beliefs when something as tiny as a few words in a comic book can shake it.

I imagine it would indeed reveal that--if it, indeed, shook my faith in any way. It doesn't. Never said it did. I find it annoying, rude, and unnecessary, however.

Do you guys never stop and think about that? Feeling personally offended is actually a personality fault. It's something strong people work past. People who are easily offended are easily exploited, too.

Not sure which "you guys" this refers to. Not sure, as well, whether or not I agree that feeling personally offended at things is indeed a personality fault. (It may depend on whether the matters warrant offense--whether offense is the correct emotional reaction to whatever the thing is in a given case.) Also, saying that something is offensive--i.e., rude--is a statement about something external, not always about whether one has a personal emotional response to it. Something can be offensive (and of course this will often vary by culture, context, intent, etc.) without a given person taking offense at the time.

And I hate to break it to you, but the christian trinity is just a carry-over from paganism when the early catholics wanted to continue to practice some of their cultural beliefs/traditions, which were steeped in paganism. Just facts.

Well, no, they're not. But this is obviously a matter (and one which is not at all a new argument to me) on which we must simply disagree. Oh, and I'll cheerfully add that the whole "Trigon inspired the notion of the various trinities and triads in pagan belief" business is rude to people holding those beliefs, too. If one actually believes that an array of beliefs were inspired by a malevolent force, of course, one can make that argument, but this story wouldn't seem an appropriate context for that (and I don't expect that Lobdell has some sort of vendetta about the number three, or that this is his way of warning the world about it), so this element in the story seems like something either deliberately provocative, or put in for no good reason with a startling level of carelessness about whether many readers will find it off-putting.

Of course, it could just be "conspiracy nuts in the DCU think this silly thing about Trigon," in which case it's not so much of a big deal.

[Outside_85]

Never been a big fan of editors editing an artist's work. Not the best but here's an idea of what the original panel with Kiran might have looked like

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Makes more sense that she would cover up if she had been like that....which I must admit I thought she was anyway's :S

[The Darknight Detective]

Guys, stick to the topic on hand and leave religion for another forum to explore.

[godisawesome]

Yes, please be mindful that a comic issue discussion on an internet forum isn't going to be a place for any kind of positive discussion. It's too impersonal and anonymous to really dig into the meat of it, though you could use the message system for a personal chat. I took the line as just another comic-book build-up of a badguy, like how they tried to tie Apokilips into Morning Star (Lucifer) in Smallville; it's toeing a weird line but does serve a thematic purpose. And let's face it, if any of the spiritual elements of comics interact, they try and avoid outright saying one was inspired by another. Besides, Spectre > any other comic character in terms of raw power.

I posited in the TT#13 thread that I think there are two different components to the armor Cassie wears; the silent armor of Trigon itself, which we see was just latched onto Diesel's face and skeleton before Cassie took it, and the bracelets and red suit Cassie put on to take the other thing off. There's still room to tie the bracelets and initial powers into the Amazons and thus Wonder Woman, so hopefully she doesn't just call herself Wonder Girl for no reason at all. And while this arc was probably the single strongest one we've seen so far from this book, I can't wait for next month's crossover-we'll get to see the rest of the team interact with Starfire and Roy, which should tie this series more into the DC proper.

And has anybody else noted that the Metas=Mutants thing seems to have been dropped? Because I hope they don't try and carbon copy that kind of stuff over for this book. Meta humans were cooler in the old universe because they still had an explanation for where their powers came from, and they didn't have everybody grab a lemming-type of idiot ball with all the new powered characters. If people don't trust the Teen Titans, it should be because they're teens with powers, not just because they have powers. Young Justice did an excellent job of embracing how real world agencies that amight accept groups like the Justice League would approach pubescent powerhouses- more with weariness and distrust than outright stupid hatred. And FabNic's dialogue resembles YJ more than anybody elese we've seen so far, and as long as the core characters are that group instead of the regular Titans, that's how they should be written.