Avengers #34 *Spoilers*

[thetrellan]

Heroic Age Avengers vol 1 - 2 - Ugly Romita art, boring timetravel story

Romita has been dissatisfied with his own art for some time now. He claims it's because he has to work too fast to pay the bills, and his stuff does look rushed, but if he's going that fast then where's the volume? He should be putting out at least 2 books a month if he's going that fast.

He just needs to shake things up somehow, make changes, get with the program. It might mean slowing a bit in the short run, but in my opinion it would be worth it. But then I don't have to pay his bills.

BTW, I get the impression you're not rating solely on the basis of story quality, but giving higher ratings for better artwork. Personally, the only thing Bendis ever did that really thrilled me was his DD stuff, which also had incredible art. I'm half convinced he'd be nothing without the fantastic talent he works with. He must be a charismatic fella to attract the artists he does.

[jazz41]

Romita has been dissatisfied with his own art for some time now. He claims it's because he has to work too fast to pay the bills, and his stuff does look rushed, but if he's going that fast then where's the volume? He should be putting out at least 2 books a month if he's going that fast.

He just needs to shake things up somehow, make changes, get with the program. It might mean slowing a bit in the short run, but in my opinion it would be worth it. But then I don't have to pay his bills.

BTW, I get the impression you're not rating solely on the basis of story quality, but giving higher ratings for better artwork. Personally, the only thing Bendis ever did that really thrilled me was his DD stuff, which also had incredible art. I'm half convinced he'd be nothing without the fantastic talent he works with. He must be a charismatic fella to attract the artists he does.

Didn't know that about JRJR. I actually liked the work in Kick Ass, but did not care at all for his Avengers work.

Guilty about ratings favoring more toward the art side of things, but that's what comics are about, art telling a story. I tried to rate, and be as genuine as possible, based on enjoyment of the story overall. I tend to enjoy the art side of the equation more than the story side. Bendis has had some great artists: Cho, McNiven, pre-Ultimatum Finch, good Deodato, Immonen.

I think Bendis's absolute best stories also had the best artists (Cho and Deodato). Does that correlate? Maybe. Subjective stuff and all.

[Blade X]

As someone who didn't read this story (or this series since issue 4), when was the Microverse renamed Under Space? Is Under Space a parallel universe to the Microverse?

[thetrellan]

Didn't know that about JRJR. I actually liked the work in Kick Ass, but did not care at all for his Avengers work.

Guilty about ratings favoring more toward the art side of things, but that's what comics are about, art telling a story. I tried to rate, and be as genuine as possible, based on enjoyment of the story overall. I tend to enjoy the art side of the equation more than the story side. Bendis has had some great artists: Cho, McNiven, pre-Ultimatum Finch, good Deodato, ImmAonen.

I think Bendis's absolute best stories also had the best artists (Cho and Deodato). Does that correlate? Maybe. Subjective stuff and all.

That particular time travel story seemed pretty lame to me. All you saw of the future was chaos, nothing definitive and certainly nothing at all interesting, except for a little ominous forshadowing where Bucky was concerned. I mean, when the things happening on the sidelines- time clashing in the present- is way more interesting than the main story, something is very wrong.

The Cho work was pretty good, but Immonen is just as good, and though I still liked his art, their run on New Avengers left me on empty. It didn't satisfy on most levels, and that can be said of a lot of Bendis' work. I don't know why, but maybe I just need to go back and read the stories as a whole. I've noticed that a lot of stuff gets missed by reading on a monthly basis.

[Propagandor]

As someone who didn't read this story (or this series since issue 4), when was the Microverse renamed Under Space? Is Under Space a parallel universe to the Microverse?

There are some legal problems with microverse I think

[Blade X]

There are some legal problems with microverse I think

No there isn't. Marvel created the Microverse back in the early 60's and have continued to use the name up until this story.

[Mikey Brown]

Decent ending, but I suspect his big ending will be in New Avengers since it was New Avengers that started it all for him. I enjoyed his farewell at the end too. End of an great era of comics, can't wait to see what Hickman will do though.

[deathcry]

No there isn't. Marvel created the Microverse back in the early 60's and have continued to use the name up until this story.

in some places they refer to this place as A microverse, not the Microverse. (the recap page aside).
Under space was where Pym originally thought the Wasp was. But it was shown to not be her in Academy.

[Bookem Danno]

...Bendis-creations Hill and Daisy Johnson (in a hilarious back and forth that could only be called, "What would happen if Hill and Quake Met...

Praise Herc (should've made the party), they did finally interact during the run. What ruined the otherwise fun banter http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me...k504o1_500.jpg was that clarity with their respective statuses in SHIELD continued to be truly bothersome until the end. At least it finally appears that Quake concedes that Hill outranks her as of this conclusion.

here is my opinion of the bendis avengers stuff

Very cool to see the chronology of Events in Avengers laid out like that for reminiscing. Why does it seem to be missing some though? Maybe HoM?

This closing arc didn't work for me...the obvious reset feels rushed and the dialogue (Hill-Daisy in particular) isn't as cute as Bendis thinks it is.

My general reaction.

Was Janet Van Dynes return seemless? Did we learn why Gouzer could defeat the Avengers in Under Space, but got defeated in the Marvel U? How did Janet and Hank Pym interact after they got back to Earth space? Did Janet slap Thor for sending her to under space? How did Janet get cured of the disease the Skrull gave her? Does Janet still consider herself an active Avenger or is there some prologue where Janet wants to leave? How dumb does Pym feel knowing he couldn't figure out where Janet actually is? Scientist Supreme gets depressed. Will Janet continue sharing tongue with Cap on Earth like she did in under space? Can somebody tell me what Hawkeye did when he saw Janet? (Suspects Clint tried to get into her pants). Any hint that the Doctor Strange story followed on in NA straight from this?

Exactly.

Janet's really Ultron. the Avengers unwittingly brought him back to Earth.

That would've been cool if masquerading among the team didn't seem too 'its been done' at the moment.

Well, part of it I'm sure is the numbers. At the start it was Gouzar + his army vs 5 Avengers (6 when Simon showed up), then in Central Park it was Gouzar by himself vs all(?) current Avengers + SHIELD

Fair enough.

Could have been better, but it did have high points. Loved Wasp's reaction to Carol's new hairstyle

...and she's back - to match wits with NOW Johnny Storm! ;)

Why is She-Hulk absent or not on-panel at the welcome home party for her BFF?

Jen has gotten NO respect since blecchy Lyra showed up.

Near the end of the story I didn't notice the page of Deodato's art until being quite surprised to see Simonson's art, then ecstatic to find it followed up by Yu, Cheung, and Coipel, before finishing with 3 pages of Terry Dodson. The only one missing was Immonen. Combine that with the arc's regular artists Brando and Mayhew, and I was one happy camper indeed.

A couple quite nice images in there.

Pym particles weren't working like they should,

The current consistency and availability of this previously unique element continues to befuddle. Also, since when is this National Security concern secured by Pym in a NYU lab (thankfully not confused with ESU)?

No there isn't. Marvel created the Microverse back in the early 60's and have continued to use the name up until this story.

Decommissioning the Prometheus Pit in Minimum Carnage has no logic to it.

[celticguy]

This closing arc didn't work for me...the obvious reset feels rushed and the dialogue (Hill-Daisy in particular) isn't as cute as Bendis thinks it is.

Also Bigger are they really going bigger? SA/NA/OA/AA was bigger than what is coming. The initiative was bigger than that. If Tony is talking raw numbers (and he certainly might not be) he is off.

[thetrellan]

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[thetrellan]

in some places they refer to this place as A microverse, not the Microverse. (the recap page aside).
Under space was where Pym originally thought the Wasp was. But it was shown to not be her in Academy.

I just read a wiki entry that says that in Peter David's Captain Marvel, a "conflict between Baron Karza and Thanos had resulted in all of the realms of the Microverse becoming merged into a single dimension".

I don't know what David is smoking, because that sounds insane to me. That one microverse might be fine, but isn't the structure of the macroverse built on all those microverses? What do you suppose would happen to our world if several microverses suddenly ceased to exist?

[Bookem Danno]

Also Bigger are they really going bigger? SA/NA/OA/AA was bigger than what is coming. The initiative was bigger than that. If Tony is talking raw numbers (and he certainly might not be) he is off.

True dat 10.

[Blade X]

I decided to break my boycott of reading any more Avengers books written by Bendis, and I set down and read AVENGERS #31-#34 since they looked like they had a lot of action. With the exception of Wasp killing those aliens on that Microverse planet (and it is stated in these 4 issues several times that this is indeed the Microverse) and Wolverine,Red Hulk,and Spidey being on the team, I thought that these 4 issues were pretty damn good. Despite the story being a bit decompressed, I thought that it was a straightforward fun superhero comic (and it was actually suitable for all ages).