Uncanny X-Force #34 Spoilers

[Filthy Mutie]

All you did was qualify my points with details. I say "Psylocke won" and you say "Psylock won with the Crimson Dawn!" Psylocke still won. He's only had temporary wins. Everyone crippled Xavier. It's not even noteworthy.

It demands exploration, and I didn't contribute to your points. Ultron, Loki, Apocalypse, Thanos, Doom, Mephisto, Kang, Magneto, Red Skull--all of them have been beaten repeatedly. All had the final blow struck by an individual. It doesn't lessen their threat level or buff-up the winner, unless (via the details) you can see otherwise.

Just leaving it at "[character] won" with no details doesn't mean anything and makes the Marvel Universe look categorically safe. Plus, the heroes always have to win in the end anyway. So, you get victories with qualifiers and by degrees. Magneto losing to the X-Men after Professor X deals the last blow, and Magneto being beaten single-handedly by Howard the Duck (for example) are worlds apart.

And that's not even from when Karma was taken over. That's just Liefeld's standard drawing of her.

Reading her speech bubble in the first pic, you can see it's Shadow King's "win" over Karma. In the second one, it's him controlling her and Storm outright.

I mean, we both know you're trolling, but this is all for other people who may want to talk about the topic.

[Meehl]

It demands exploration, and I didn't contribute to your points. Ultron, Loki, Apocalypse, Thanos, Doom, Mephisto, Kang, Magneto, Red Skull--all of them have been beaten repeatedly. All had the final blow struck by an individual. It doesn't lessen their threat level or buff-up the winner, unless (via the details) you can see otherwise.

Just leaving it at "[character] won" with no details doesn't mean anything and makes the Marvel Universe look categorically safe. Plus, the heroes always have to win in the end anyway. So, you get victories with qualifiers and by degrees. Magneto losing to the X-Men after Professor X deals the last blow, and Magneto being beaten single-handedly by Howard the Duck (for example) are worlds apart.


Reading her speech bubble in the first pic, you can see it's Shadow King's "win" over Karma. In the second one, it's him controlling her and Storm outright.

I mean, we both know you're trolling, but this is all for other people who may want to talk about the topic.

I was trolling Xavier's lower back pain and Liefeld's art and not you if you makes you feel better.

Comparing with the Avengers bad guys is not fair. The Avengers villains exist solely to glorify the Avengers. The X-men villains, however, are usually defined by how they win. Magneto won Genosha and won in a public case in front of the UN. The cyborg dudes beat the X-men back into the Siege Perilous. The human bigots win in DOFP. Pocy infected Nathan and wins in the future. The TO virus eventually kills a mess of mutants. The Purifiers kill a school bus full of children.

What can Shadow King really claim?


He made Karma fat. And he killed Destiny.

He has seriously underachieved given the god-like powers he was always written as having.

[Hariel0079]

Remender did say, that Apacalypse will show up in UA and it has some connections to his UXF run I wonder how it'll work.

[Blank9]

Tell me how you deduced Apocalypse being transferred? Considering, Apocalypse wasn't defeated until Betsy stabbed him with the life seed. .....

There was no interaction between Genesis and Archangel after that. You even earlier said they had light exchange between they're eyes. Something that didn't happen. I'm sorry, you're just wrong. There is no way anything left Warren and infected Genesis. He was Apocalypse all the way up to Betsy stabbing him.

Also, she wasn't crying in her suicide scene. It was freaking raining, and unless you have inside knowledge, there's no way you can tell me 100% she was crying.

This whole, I'll interpret it my way is a cop out. You obviously aren't as well read with the DAS as you claim to be..... Your facts are wrong.

So this is rain coming directly out of her eyes?



1.Weird light comes out his eyes
2. From Archangels eyes the explosion surrounds Evan.
(skipped panel of him standing over evan silent)
3. Archangel standing there suddenly looking confused.
(skipped stab panel)
4. "Betsy where are we?"
5. Life seed shoots energy out of him.



I think he was erased for nothing because he had already transferred to Evan. Because:

1. Archangel wasn't an energy wielding character.
2. Energy directly out of his eyes while he is looking in Evans.
3. Confused face after this happens.
4. "Betsy where are we" THEN light seed explosion, not the other way around.
5. No Apocalypse persona talking while dying.

Additionally Deathloks prophecy and New Angel looking at Evan in WatX and seeing old apocalypse inside him:
Dont believe me, i dont care just dont tell me how I can or cant read a scene unless you have some concrete in panel evidence to suggest otherwise. Heard of the concept death of the author? even if Remender comes out and says this isnt his intention until New Angel / somebody else is revealed to have Apocalypse it can be interpreted this way.

Please lets not argue about this anymore >__<

[Juggernaut Punch]

The Apocalypse Force obviously went somewhere since no other Horseman was called. Some potentials :

a) Hippie Angel still has it
b) Evan has it
c) Archangel Jr has it
d) One of the other Horsemen of Death have it

[wader0069]

So this is rain coming directly out of her eyes?

what do you think happens when rain falls on ones face?

1.Weird light comes out his eyes
2. From Archangels eyes the explosion surrounds Evan.
(skipped panel of him standing over evan silent)
3. Archangel standing there suddenly looking confused.
(skipped stab panel)
4. "Betsy where are we?"
5. Life seed shoots energy out of him.

1. This is no longer Archangel alone, it's Apocalypse, his power set is probably the most expansive of all the mutants. He has been shown to absorb and project energy.

2. See 1.

3. Archangel was not standing there looking confused, he was shocked. He was staring at Betsy. Look at the panel closer, the whole left side is her hair. He's in shock staring at her, because she survived the fall and snuck up on him and is obviously going to stab him. Which she does.....

4. Yes, when Betsy stabs him then and only then was Apocalpse released. Just like they had been told would happen.

5. Life seed exorcises Apocalpse out of him. This is when Apocalypse was cleansed from Warren. I am all for interpreting something, but there really is no way around this one. There was no transference from Archangel to Apocalpse. That would defeat the whole series and its theme of ascension.

I think he was erased for nothing because he had already transferred to Evan. Because:

1. Archangel wasn't an energy wielding character.
2. Energy directly out of his eyes while he is looking in Evans.
3. Confused face after this happens.
4. "Betsy where are we" THEN light seed explosion, not the other way around.
5. No Apocalypse persona talking while dying.

1. It's not just Archangel, he has ascended to Apocalpse now. He has a whole new variety of powers at his disposal. Why do you think they needed the life seed? If he was simply Warren they could have easily taken him out with out it.

2. Yup, he is an energy wielding character since he has Apocalypse's powers at his disposal.

3. Not confused, surprised. He is shocked Betsy survived the fall and is still going after him.

4. Well duh, she stabs him with the life seed he says where are we, then the life seed exorcise Apocalypse out of him. Exactly what I have been saying the whole time......

5. That's because the life seed just rid Warren of Apocalypse..... So of course he would no longer be talking like him.....

Additionally Deathloks prophecy and New Angel looking at Evan in WatX and seeing old apocalypse inside him:
Dont believe me, i dont care just dont tell me how I can or cant read a scene unless you have some concrete in panel evidence to suggest otherwise. Heard of the concept death of the author? even if Remender comes out and says this isnt his intention until New Angel / somebody else is revealed to have Apocalypse it can be interpreted this way.

Please lets not argue about this anymore >__<

Evan becoming Apocalypse has nothing to do with Archangel. Again the whole theme is Ascension, Fantomex cloned the kid they killed because he wanted to see if they could nurture Apocalpse. They know he's going to be Apocalypse, he's predisposed to be. Shoot, the last issue was all about getting Evan to ascend.........

[Blank9]

The different coloured liquid is coming directly out of her eyes in 3 separate panels! unless she suddenly has conjunctivitis I really don't understand why you are still debating this.

He wasn't wielding energy like that elsewhere (to the best of my knowledge in this series), He talks normally THEN it explodes and the set up of the panels makes me believe this. None of what you are saying changes my opinion at all. Unless you actually have some on panel evidence to post I'm not wasting any more time debating this with you.

[metalgorgomon]

What can Shadow King really claim?


He made Karma fat. And he killed Destiny.

He has seriously underachieved given the god-like powers he was always written as having.

He released Archangel-Apocalypse persona in Warren (from being jailed by Psylocke), causing the ascension of Archangel into Apocalypse. That leads to hundreds of people being killed (the forming of Tabula Rasa). That one alone is a win from Angel, Psylocke and the rest of the X-Force.