He-Man vs Darkseid

[Guy Smiley]

Don't the omega beams not function against people who have a certain degree of importance to the universe? I'm pretty sure that was a thing. Obviously it needs to be something like being integral to the ongoing state of the universe, but He-Man kind of has that, since in many versions, possessing Castle Greyskull = ruling the universe or even being God (particularly in the one comic continuity where getting both the swords means access to Greyskull and omnipotence). I don't know a whole lot about the omega beams though, I just remember that being a thing, and I don't think you can get a lot more important than operating on that scale without going into multiple realities.

If that's a thing with the Omega Effect, then I suppose it depends on what the writers count as 'important to the universe.' For example, in Marvel, Galactus might be considered important to the universe. He serves a vital function in how it works. Thanos, on the other hand, does not. Even though he occasionally acquires omnipotence and/or kills large percentages of the universe's population, he's not inherently important. If he gets taken out, the universe chugs on. I'd assume in DC that guys like the Spectre operate on this level of importance.

On the other hand, the writers may simply have decided 'If you're iconic enough, or a big protagonist, you're important', in which case guys like Spider-Man and Superman get passes. With that definition, He-Man would also qualify. Of course, we've seen Supes get zarched by the OE before, I'm pretty sure. Given that; even if an important character isn't flat-out erasable by the OE, they might still take tons of damage.

[dupersuper]

On the other hand, the writers may simply have decided 'If you're iconic enough, or a big protagonist, you're important', in which case guys like Spider-Man and Superman get passes.

Well, Supes is often the universes protector, and has been likened to its immune system.

[Captain Morgan]

Honestly, I am a bit skeptical of any version of He-Man defeating post crisis Darkseid. I know we laugh at him and all, but the guy has versatility out the wazoo. The Omega Effect can dimension dump, time dump, and even transmute. He's used them to teleport Superman, so that "important thing to the universe" doesn't seem to apply for dumping purposes. He-Man's only defense seems to be deflecting that with the sword, and I am skeptical he could on a teleporting beam. Even if he could, he would need to be quick enough to intercept them, and all the people I am thinking of who have done so were in the DC speed brick bracket.

Even setting aside the Omega Effect, guy has boom tubes, can fly, and can project energy in area effect waves from his hands to. All he should really need to do is blast He Man through a boom tube, and it is good night Gracie.

Nu Darkseid, meanwhile, should be more than a match for many versions of He-Man.

[Nik Hasta]

Nu Darkseid, meanwhile, should be more than a match for many versions of He-Man.

How does Nu Darkseid stack up to his previous incarnations?

I know he bled from Aquaman's trident but that's about it.

[Dark Soul # 7]

How does Nu Darkseid stack up to his previous incarnations?

I know he bled from Aquaman's trident but that's about it.

Wasn't that because Aquaman stabbed him in the eye though?

[Captain Morgan]

Wasn't that because Aquaman stabbed him in the eye though?

Yep. Took the trident in one eye and Wonder Woman's sword in the other and kept fighting. Nu Darkseid showed up and fired off his Omega Beams at Flash and Superman. They proceed to take off running/flying as fast as they can. Flash manages to beat them by vibrating through some Parademons so they get hit instead, then notes that this was the first time he ever felt out winded. Superman, meanwhile, gets hit and one shotted.

Green Lantern then tries to take on Darkseid, and gets no sold and fuck stomped. The whole League proceeds to engage Darkseid. Wonder Woman deflects his beams back at him, and they hit him in the face. They hurt him but don't slow him down. They shove pointy things in his eyes and he keeps coming. Superman wakes up and tries to over power him, and fails pretty notably. They managed to win by banishing him through a boom tube.

So we don't know how strong the individual League members are at that point. They were all younger and less experienced-- Hal was being chastised for lack of focus, and Superman's bench pressing the Earth feat probably isn't applicable. But I would hazard they are still solidly powerful, going by their feats across their respective titles.

[Surtur]

Why did Boom Tubing stop him? Couldn't he just boom tube back?

[dupersuper]

can fly

I've never seen PC Darkseid fly, just use disks like Mr. Miracle.

Wasn't that because Aquaman stabbed him in the eye though?

One would think his eye would be as invulnerable as the rest of him (like movie Superman getting shot in the eye). I chalk it up to a magic trident and magic sword.

[Surtur]

Though given the way DC has treated Darkseid in the past it is totally believable they'd give him a crappy eye weakness. Maybe the trident had some leftover sand on it so it was double the pain.

[Gorthaur]

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The guy who painted this really had the best job ever.