He-Man vs Darkseid

[FennerMachine]

Non-stacked composite He-Man vs Darkseid.

Can He-Man win against any version of Darkseid?

If its a stomp either way then change composites and stacking accordingly to make it more fair.
If its a total stomp then either one can call on allies and resources. What would either need to win?

[KJ Stewart]

Non-stacked composite He-Man vs Darkseid.

Can He-Man win against any version of Darkseid?

The shorthand answer to the initial question, without going into further detail, is yes. In fact, Composite Non-Stacked He-Man absolutely trashes Post-Crisis Darkseid and numerous non-comic versions of Darkseid.

He-Man has gone toe-to-toe with Pre-Crisis Superman (of course, Supes neglected to use any superspeed, but the fact He-Man took blows from him and caused him any degree of discomfort means he can beat several versions of Darkseid. Let alone a composite version of the Eternian).

[Surtur]

Eh, I think Heman can win..but I wouldn't put any stock in his fight against PC Supes. The very best case scenario would mean PC Supes was massively holding back for their fight(not just his speed, but his punches too)..which makes it hard to quantify anyways. The closest I remember him getting to PC levels was spinning around a castle so fast it goes back in time or something.

[KJ Stewart]

Eh, I think Heman can win..but I wouldn't put any stock in his fight against PC Supes. The very best case scenario would mean PC Supes was massively holding back for their fight(not just his speed, but his punches too)..which makes it hard to quantify anyways. The closest I remember him getting to PC levels was spinning around a castle so fast it goes back in time or something.

People say they remember that, but it never actually happened...

He has, however, moved moons on strength alone, stopped a moon from crashing into a planet by throwing something at it, held up cities, held up mountains, closed fissures caused by earthquakes by vibrating the earth, thrown a gem at 80,000mph, moved his hands so fast that sand turns to glass, dodged lasers, deflected something like 12 lasers at the same time by moving so fast, PUNCHED THROUGH FIRE, caused tornados by running in circles, stopped tornados by twirling his sword around etc etc.

Essentially, his speed and strength are well above certain versions of Darkseid before he becomes a composite.

[Surtur]

People say they remember that, but it never actually happened...

He has, however, moved moons on strength alone, stopped a moon from crashing into a planet by throwing something at it, held up cities, held up mountains, closed fissures caused by earthquakes by vibrating the earth, thrown a gem at 80,000mph, moved his hands so fast that sand turns to glass, dodged lasers, deflected something like 12 lasers at the same time by moving so fast, PUNCHED THROUGH FIRE, caused tornados by running in circles, stopped tornados by twirling his sword around etc etc.

Essentially, his speed and strength are well above certain versions of Darkseid before he becomes a composite.

You are saying the castle feat didn't happen? This..saddens me.

[KJ Stewart]

You are saying the castle feat didn't happen? This..saddens me.

Nah, not in the way people claim. He threw a castle (Grayskull). He didn't spin it so fast that it travelled through time.

I've fallen in to the trap of using it as a "feat" myself, but having reminded myself of what actually happened... nah.

[Evil Sneak]

Nah, not in the way people claim. He threw a castle (Grayskull). He didn't spin it so fast that it travelled through time.

I've fallen in to the trap of using it as a "feat" myself, but having reminded myself of what actually happened... nah.

He threw it to the moon, right?

[KJ Stewart]

He threw it to the moon, right?

He threw it back to Eternia when it was dumped in another dimension. He did so through a portal.

[Surtur]

Now the OP says if it's a total stomp then the loser can call on allies and their resources. So I guess Darkseid could win then..Apokolips has some pretty nifty tech.

[KJ Stewart]

Now the OP says if it's a total stomp then the loser can call on allies and their resources. So I guess Darkseid could win then..Apokolips has some pretty nifty tech.

Or we could just use PC Darkseid and have him beat STACKED Composite He-Man and STACKED Composite Eternia with ease.

[BitVyper]

Composite He-Man should have the PC Superman fight going for him. IIRC there was actually some mention of speed in that fight, but I forget how it was handled.

As far as holding back goes, PC Supes was being mindcontrolled into going all out. It was, however, a different version of He-Man, so the feat doesn't necessarily fit with other incarnations. That's not a problem in the case of a composite though.

Notably, IIRC, He-Man wasn't exactly WINNING that fight. I'm pretty sure he was shown to be at a definite disadvantage overall, but still holding his own.

[KJ Stewart]

Composite He-Man should have the PC Superman fight going for him. IIRC there was actually some mention of speed in that fight, but I forget how it was handled.

As far as holding back goes, PC Supes was being mindcontrolled into going all out. It was, however, a different version of He-Man, so the feat doesn't necessarily fit with other incarnations. That's not a problem in the case of a composite though.

Notably, IIRC, He-Man wasn't exactly WINNING that fight. I'm pretty sure he was shown to be at a definite disadvantage overall, but still holding his own.

He outright lost the fight but, like I said earlier, he caused Supes a degree of discomfort and took quite a lot of what Supes dished out. Supes was also genuinely concerned that He-Man could kill him.

However, it's actually the same version of He-Man as the cartoon. Stories followed on and references are made to both sets of media in both the cartoon and TV series (that's not to say Superman was ever mentioned in the cartoon, but stories/occurrences from the same continuity as the Superman crossover are referenced in the cartoon).

[BitVyper]

However, it's actually the same version of He-Man as the cartoon.

Not anymore than movie Goku is the same as comic Goku. The comics may have referenced and followed up on the cartoon's plot, but the two remain visibly distinct from one another. Plus they were produced by different companies, as I recall.

[KJ Stewart]

Not anymore than movie Goku is the same as comic Goku. The comics may have referenced and followed up on the cartoon's plot, but the two remain visibly distinct from one another. Plus they were produced by different companies, as I recall.

Depends which comic you're referring to. It's been published by several.

The forum might distinguish them, but they were meant to be the same guy. To the extent that some characters were introduced in one media and then appeared in the other as if they were already established characters.

And the Mattel toyline, which specifically spawned the cartoon (quite famously being the first toyline to spawn a cartoon, as opposed to the other way around), manufactured characters who only ever appeared in the comics without giving them distinguished packaging to separate them from that continuity.

But, as you said, it's not really relevant here because this is composite He-Man so he gets all version's feats.

[Sol M]

He-Man obviously wins against an unprepared Post Crisis Darkseid.

PC Darkseid stomps him though, even if it's a stacked composite, and even if a fight against PC Supes counted. It's not PC Supes was a challenge to PC Darkseid either.

PUNCHED THROUGH FIRE

Given the capitalization, there is probably more to the feat than it sounds, since I don't think it takes superhuman strength to punch through fire. <_<