Does Thor's hammer actually make him seem weaker?

[davew128]

And he used Odins power to do it.
That isn't a THOR feat.

Sure its a Thor feat. The OdinPower isn't exclusive to Odin. By rights, Thor should not have lost it when Odin returned. Heck, if that were the case he should a) never have had it and b) should have lost it when fighting Bor. It's not a kingship power. It's a bloodline power and yet even THAT is murky. Let me give you examples of why the whole thing is messed. Odin had the power as All Father and Lord of Asgard. Yet his grandfather Buri is still alive in the mountains and possesses skyfather power himself. If it was a Lord of Asgard only power, why then did Buri still have power? Why did Thor, when he fought Bor? Bor upon his return was technically king. Heck, after Bor died and Thor exiled, Balder was king. Balder is ALSO a son of Odin yet did not inherit the power. Umm, huh? No, none of it makes sense yet we can all agree that the power was rightfully Thor's when he used it. It wasn't a one time thing and he'd had it for many years our time.

[The Avenging One]

so wait, Thor is 1,000's of times stronger and has a weapon with the ability to crack planetoids yet we are arguing over which physical attack by the two affected Namor worse.

I wasn't arguing which affected Namor worse. I was correcting you. I am going to do it again too. We didn't see enough of the panel to kow if it knocked him off his flight path. It is far more likely that it simply caught his attention. It didn't cause Namor to careen into IF either. Namor was flying directly at Cap at that point. IF caught Namor as he was going for Cap.

Yes, this happened. Modern Thor is one big 'poor showing' with nothing to balance it out with.

Pure fanboy nonsense. Incinerating Ulik, mortally wounding Worthy Thing, one-shotting Modok, and lifting half of Asgard are high-end feats for any regular version of Thor. Calling those low-end feats is ridiculous.

[blakkrussian]

I wasn't arguing which affected Namor worse. I was correcting you. I am going to do it again too. We didn't see enough of the panel to kow if it knocked him off his flight path. It is far more likely that it simply caught his attention. It didn't cause Namor to careen into IF either. Namor was flying directly at Cap at that point. IF caught Namor as he was going for Cap.



Pure fanboy nonsense. Incinerating Ulik, mortally wounding Worthy Thing, one-shotting Modok, and lifting half of Asgard are high-end feats for any regular version of Thor. Calling those low-end feats is ridiculous.

Caps shield creased up Namors face and shut him the hell up. It affected him. It when it really should have been like a gnat pissing on an tank to try and bring it down. He felt it enough to make a beeline for Cap. He felt it.

Thor bought down a Captain America villain, whoop-de-doo. Lifting Asgard he needed help. How is that a Thor feat? As for one shotting possessed Thing, that 'feat' didnt even make any sense. Thor just kind of 'willed' Mjolnir through Thing. he didn't even throw it, yet a full on smash to possessed Hulk only BFR'ed him. How's that work? How come Thor cant even beat regular Hulk and even said so in the very same issue he bought down Angir? And no he wasn't blufffing to lull Hulk into a false sense of security. You know how i know? Because in all their battles Thor hasn't really been able to beat Hulk conclusively so his statement was true. He has felled Hulk with a lightning strike before, but Hulk always kicks his arse physically. Always. hence the whole reasoning behind why i made this thread. Without his hammer Thor is actually weaker than his peers physically.

How about bringing up clear cut FEATS Thor has done since his rebirth and not some cobbled together nonsense.

[The Avenging One]

How about bringing up clear cut FEATS Thor has done since his rebirth and not some cobbled together nonsense.

Those are clear cut feats. They are damn good feats that would be impressive for any regular version of Thor. You are just doing your best job to ignore them because it doesn't fit with your fanboy nonsense. Whinying about Thor's rivalry with Hulk does nothing to address my points. You claimed he was nothing but low showings. That isn't true.

It is funny you are all about Classic Thor doing random Mjolnir tricks but immediately say Thor performing a Mjolnir feat doesn't make sense. Hilarious.

[blakkrussian]

Sure its a Thor feat. The OdinPower isn't exclusive to Odin. By rights, Thor should not have lost it when Odin returned. Heck, if that were the case he should a) never have had it and b) should have lost it when fighting Bor. It's not a kingship power. It's a bloodline power and yet even THAT is murky. Let me give you examples of why the whole thing is messed. Odin had the power as All Father and Lord of Asgard. Yet his grandfather Buri is still alive in the mountains and possesses skyfather power himself. If it was a Lord of Asgard only power, why then did Buri still have power? Why did Thor, when he fought Bor? Bor upon his return was technically king. Heck, after Bor died and Thor exiled, Balder was king. Balder is ALSO a son of Odin yet did not inherit the power. Umm, huh? No, none of it makes sense yet we can all agree that the power was rightfully Thor's when he used it. It wasn't a one time thing and he'd had it for many years our time.

No it is not a Thor feat. If the power was/is within Thor his abilities would be included in things like his Marvel Bio. Heck he would surely have been able to repair his own hammer and not ask for help from Dr Strange either. He had a power boost it's gone now. This may explain somethings:

http://www.comicvine.com/the-odin-force/12-35070/

It seems the power isn't passed down, it started with Odin and his brothers, not Buri or Bor. They just had immense power to begin with. It's Odins power not Thor who was only a caretaker for it.

[blakkrussian]

Those are clear cut feats. They are damn good feats that would be impressive for any regular version of Thor. You are just doing your best job to ignore them because it doesn't fit with your fanboy nonsense. Whinying about Thor's rivalry with Hulk does nothing to address my points. You claimed he was nothing but low showings. That isn't true.

It is funny you are all about Classic Thor doing random Mjolnir tricks but immediately say Thor performing a Mjolnir feat doesn't make sense. Hilarious.

Thor having help to do something is a 'clear cut feat'? Sure, because YOU say it is. If a weightlifter (A) is helped by another weightlifter (b)to raise a weight above his head for a world record, would that stand as a world record or even any sort of an achievement for athlete 'A'??
So in the 5 years since Thors resurrection you bring up what you call 3 feats, one against a Cap villain who could be killed by one minor blow from Thor, one he had help with and one which didn't even make any damn sense. Wow, Marvel are packing in the feats. Boy i'm getting dizzy with all these feats up in here. Shame they are far outweighed by the many arsekickings he's had in that period also. 5 in the avengers vs X men series alone. One mini series alone has outdone any 'feat' he has had since resurrection.

I think your parents should add to the porn block they put on your P.C with a block for messageboards as well.

Thor doing random tricks with Mjolnir in the 60's 70's and 80's and such were just accepted in those days. If Thor just whipped up a power to shrink Hyperion like he did, that was just accepted. People read the story then forgot about it. The readers then were mainly kids. That's how Superman towing a string of planets behind him with a hunk of chain got to be passed .

Wouldn't be passed now, todays readers would slam this as stupid beyond belief.
Nowadays in the sophisticated 2012's people would be like 'huh'? where that come from? they would then pack up messageboards analysing what happened, why it happened and why it shouldn't have happened. It's why characters like Classic Thor, Dr Strange and Silver Surfer are mere shadows of their classic selves. back in the classic days you could have them doing any old crap. Nowadays you have to explain away their powers in some fashion, so Thor shrinking Hyperion wouldn't fly today. It would make no sense. Writers can't get away with any old shit like in the old days. Jeff Loeb knows all about that. Thor can have feats NOW but in this day and age they need to make some semblance of sense.

Unlike you.

[Frank]

In the Ultimate Avengers, Thor didn't really need his hammer that much to beat up Hulk. He actually used his fists a few times. Hulk even managed to lift Thor's hammer. So, Hulk think Thor would be powerful anyway, with or without the hammer.

Yeah, Hulk that awesome.

In Millar's run Thor could not defeat Hulk even using his giant-ass hammer.

[Frank]

No, its sounds DUMB. He uses the same tactics against the same people ( eg Hulk) which continually prove not to work. (Thor mate,If it aint worked 99 times before what makes ya think Hulk will succumb Again to being hit upside the head by Mjolnir especially as he has also gotten a LOT stronger over the years). Thor also forgets to use powers which would make his work a lot easier save lives a lot quicker and not gamble with them, and save him and his teammates a world of pain while protecting them better, and he constantly talks better than he fights. Ulik could be battering Thor and feeding The God Of Thunder his arse in a bread sandwich, whilst standing on Thors shattered spine, eyeball hanging out and Thor would still be saying stuff like ' Foul Creature, the Prince of Asgard will prevail against thee and return thee broken and defeated to the foul Stygian pit from wence thee came', like some blowhard, talking up the fight like a white Don King, that's not praiseworthy, that's STUPID and it makes him look like a complete tool and a joke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno

2.58-4.27. That's Thor. Still think he comes across as 'heroic and deserving of praise' or a dickhead?

If he acts that way it's because he has never lost except against Hulk. The guy can go to the heart of a star, come down to Earth, drink a river and fights five giants, of course he's gonna be bombasting. He is power, he is magestic and he knows it. That's the beauty of this character and the fact that he has no cynisism.

[The Avenging One]

Thor having help to do something is a 'clear cut feat'? Sure, because YOU say it is.

No, because it flat-out is. It is one of Thor's greatest pure lifting feats and that is factoring in assistance. You haven't even provided an actual argument as to why it isn't a clear cut feat. Having assistance does not negate the feat in anyway.

If a weightlifter (A) is helped by another weightlifter (b)to raise a weight above his head for a world record, would that stand as a world record or even any sort of an achievement for athlete 'A'??

Anyone that isn't as slow as you are would know it depends on the amount of weight they lift. If the weight they lift is twice(or more) as much as the previous record it would be a great achievment. Using world records is actually a poor way of looking at this. It would be based on weightlifter A's personal best.

So in the 5 years since Thors resurrection you bring up what you call 3 feats, one against a Cap villain who could be killed by one minor blow from Thor, one he had help with and one which didn't even make any damn sense.

You may want to try and count that again, sir.... I like how you word that right there. Suggesting they are not even feats now. Brilliant strategy.

Bringing up that he is a Cap villain showcases your desperation. You are doing it so that it seems as if he was a weak opponent but using that same logic you would have to say every villain Cap faces is weak and we all know that is not really true. It also showcases the fact you have not actually read the comic.

Also, none of Mjolnir's feats actually make sense. Thor being able to toss Mjolnir faster than the speed of light makes no damn sense, creating a forcefield with Mjolnir doesn't actually make sense, nor does Mjolnir allowing Thor to open portals. Complaining about one but praising the others just makes you out to be a hypocrite.

Shame they are far outweighed by the many arsekickings he's had in that period also

Classic Thor also had more poor showings than good. You are using a much larger time span for classic Thor than you are for modern Thor btw. You understand what I am saying there, right?

One mini series alone has outdone any 'feat' he has had since resurrection.

I don't think you know what "outdone" actually means.

I think your parents should add to the porn block they put on your P.C with a block for messageboards as well.

I know you would like that. I woud be unable to point out your flawed logic and correct your innacurate descriptions of certain events.

Thor doing random tricks with Mjolnir in the 60's 70's and 80's and such were just accepted in those days. If Thor just whipped up a power to shrink Hyperion like he did, that was just accepted. People read the story then forgot about it. The readers then were mainly kids. That's how Superman towing a string of planets behind him with a hunk of chain got to be passed .

Wouldn't be passed now, todays readers would slam this as stupid beyond belief.
Nowadays in the sophisticated 2012's people would be like 'huh'? where that come from? they would then pack up messageboards analysing what happened, why it happened and why it shouldn't have happened. It's why characters like Classic Thor, Dr Strange and Silver Surfer are mere shadows of their classic selves. back in the classic days you could have them doing any old crap. Nowadays you have to explain away their powers in some fashion, so Thor shrinking Hyperion wouldn't fly today. It would make no sense. Writers can't get away with any old shit like in the old days. Jeff Loeb knows all about that.

You are arguing against yourself, bud. Literally. I am impressed.

[Will.S]

If you guys can't discuss this with civility then you leave me no other choice than to shut this down.