That goes back to the old hoary chestnut, "Are gods dependent on their worshipers, or worshipers dependent on their gods?"But I understand what you're saying. Kirby had intended them to be a spin off of Thor, so they were supposed to be actual gods. Do the events that take place on New Genesis and Apokolys effect the mortal world of the DCU? It was kind of the other way around when Kirby went back to the Fourth World in The Hunger Dogs. Clearly he was saddened by the cold new mechanized modern world and showed a parallel happening on Apokolips. Even great Darkseid seemed dejected by how automated his planet and war machine had become.
Walter Simonson answered this definitively, at least for his run, and it's that the world is dependent on the New Gods. Morrison felt the same way. Kirby's work is, as always, more ambiguous and I'm frankly comfortable leaving it that way -- interpret it however you see fit! The parallel is there, but 'which came first' can very much be a matter of personal taste.
So with the New Gods creating Aurakles they basically created the meta gene and the means for earth to become The Fifith World right? So humans may be the gods of the DCU in the far off future.
I think it gets troublesome when you try to put the "universe" in context to the whole thing. Morrison is basically the biggest superhero enthusiast, so he sees the superhero concept as the Fifth World, where man becomes myth. But I don't think it's intended to be geocentric.
Looking back into this thread, it's safe to say that DC sure has one convoluted little mess on their hands. Not a terrible important one, but I hope that one day it is cleared up just who everyone is and what their "rank" is.
yeah, i hope there isnt ever a definitive answer. doesnt look like there will be. i mean, currently you have the Shazam wizards doling out punishment to one of jesus' disciples and a woman who opened the mythical Pandora's Box. all religions and mythologies are in play. which allows for more creative freedom for the writers.
Mark me down as not caring about whether or not a rank is ever defined, it's not like we have it in real life and we get on just fine.
Reading this thread is making me wonder about the end game to Wonder Woman and the inclusion of Orion. The prophesy of the undoing/usurping of whomever is on the throne of Olympus by one of Zeus' demigod children, the intro to Orion and that at the start of the New 52 Darkseid was looking for his daughter has me thinking.
Considering Diana's god force powers and that we still haven't seen Zeus, I'm wondering if we're going to see the twilight of the Greek gods. I also wonder if Orion knows he has a sister and might be looking for her too. A lot of familial themes at play.
"Gargantua, stop! We're... friends!"
- Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman
Isn't ranking them at the root of much of mankind's war, oppression, hate... against one-another.
Does any of their dogma recognize/preach their deities are all "equal" in rank to others.
Whose "god" ranks above all others is a battle as old as time.
And depending on where and when you were/are born, your recognition of which ranks above, could be a matter of life or death.
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