(Mythological) Thor vs. (Mythological) Heracles

[BitVyper]

BitVyper: We can't really judge just by concept. Full god vs. demi-god has nothing to do with feats.

Even just baseline immortality in the Greek mythos means nothing will actually kill you no matter how much it damages you. We've seen this demonstrated by people like Chiron and Alcyoneus. Heracles was pretty clearly Alcyoneus' superior by far, but he had to actually drag Alcyoneus somewhere that would void his immortality before he could kill the guy. The gods are a step above this, as they aren't altogether physical beings, so unless one happens to piss off Zeus, trapping them in a state of perpetual death or even wounding them isn't easy either. As I recall, Ares also demonstrated that they're fundamentally invincible to most things until Athena amped the shit out of a mortal to make hurting him possible. And all that really did was make him piss and moan a bit. He didn't seem to actually be hurt.

[Siriel]

The only thing Athena did was intercept Ares' spear and guide Diomedes' spear so it actually hit Ares. I don't recall any mention of her making said spear magical/god-piercing/etc.

Similarly, Diomedes was capable of hurting Aphrodite just fine, specifically wounding her, at Athena's request without any help aside from a special vision that allowed him to make the difference between gods and mortals.
After which Aphrodite went crying to Apollo who showed and then Diomedes backed off after being reminded that Athena had specifically ordered him to only attack Aphrodite. (Him having attempted to attack Apollo was the transgression that Ares used as an excuse to show up.)

[AdvanceBushido]

I believe Herc wins this one. I remember him having better feats.

[big_adventure]

The only thing Athena did was intercept Ares' spear and guide Diomedes' spear so it actually hit Ares. I don't recall any mention of her making said spear magical/god-piercing/etc.

Similarly, Diomedes was capable of hurting Aphrodite just fine, specifically wounding her, at Athena's request without any help aside from a special vision that allowed him to make the difference between gods and mortals.
After which Aphrodite went crying to Apollo who showed and then Diomedes backed off after being reminded that Athena had specifically ordered him to only attack Aphrodite. (Him having attempted to attack Apollo was the transgression that Ares used as an excuse to show up.)

No offense Siriel, it's much less poignant from you than Homer. :-)

OTOH, you win the brevity battle by a landslide.

[Omni_Guy]

Where is it shown in any of the stories that he has near lightspeed?

Not really. I just remember it from a book, which encompasses a collection of mythologies, so it's pretty random. It was said that he flew like "a light" and only odin could see him. Put I don't know how quantifiable that is, since light-speed wasn't exactly known in those times.

Hmm, not recalling the near light-speed. He definitely lifted a coil of the Midgard Serpent, a coil of a creature big enough to encircle the Earth. Heracles lifted the entire sky and heavens and stars, etc. I'd have to reread the myths again to see where Thor shook the world tree. Don't recall that. Do you recall which myth that was in?

BitVyper: We can't really judge just by concept. Full god vs. demi-god has nothing to do with feats.

Again, I recall that from a random book, but also this is hardly quantifiable, since the universe wasn't exactly as ours back then. But it's still impressive. And there are many Thor stories.
A Greek god has a form which can annihilate any non-god being, and in case your wandering whether I got this from percy-jackson books, no I didn't. Once, one of Zeus' lovers came to Zeus in his full God form, and she was eradicated by his form.

[big_adventure]

Again, I recall that from a random book, but also this is hardly quantifiable, since the universe wasn't exactly as ours back then. But it's still impressive. And there are many Thor stories.
A Greek god has a form which can annihilate any non-god being, and in case your wandering whether I got this from percy-jackson books, no I didn't. Once, one of Zeus' lovers came to Zeus in his full God form, and she was eradicated by his form.

Even if that's fair, I don't know that it would apply to Herc. Hercules != Zeus. Hercules, even after being raised, is still defined as a demigod. Zeus can also wave his hand and open a portal to Tartarus. I don't think that we are going to give Herc that feat, are we?

[Powerboy]

Not really. I just remember it from a book, which encompasses a collection of mythologies, so it's pretty random. It was said that he flew like "a light" and only odin could see him. Put I don't know how quantifiable that is, since light-speed wasn't exactly known in those times.



Again, I recall that from a random book, but also this is hardly quantifiable, since the universe wasn't exactly as ours back then. But it's still impressive. And there are many Thor stories.
A Greek god has a form which can annihilate any non-god being, and in case your wandering whether I got this from percy-jackson books, no I didn't. Once, one of Zeus' lovers came to Zeus in his full God form, and she was eradicated by his form.

Yes I can't remember her name but she begged Zeus to show her his "true form" which apparently was a lot like a living lightning bolt and she was destroyed. But as others have said, that doesn't apply to Heracles although I think he more likely wins.

[Xal]

Yes I can't remember her name but she begged Zeus to show her his "true form" which apparently was a lot like a living lightning bolt and she was destroyed. But as others have said, that doesn't apply to Heracles although I think he more likely wins.

It was Dionysus' mom. That's why Zeus cut the baby out and stitched it to his leg. Yep.

[Omni_Guy]

Even if that's fair, I don't know that it would apply to Herc. Hercules != Zeus. Hercules, even after being raised, is still defined as a demigod. Zeus can also wave his hand and open a portal to Tartarus. I don't think that we are going to give Herc that feat, are we?

No, Hercules is not really Zeus' equal. Even in strength, Zeus still outclasses him by miles being able to pull all of earth with the sky.
Well I wouldn't exactly say that Zeus can wave his hand and open a portal in Tartarus since if that was true, he would have won the Titanomachy instantly. Though he has power over the sky, seas, and the underworld, but of course it's far from absolute.
Herc hasn't displayed any other abilities except super strength, speed, agility, etc. I don't see how he can open a portal to Tartarus since again, if that was true, his 12 labors wouldn't be that hard to accomplish.

Yes I can't remember her name but she begged Zeus to show her his "true form" which apparently was a lot like a living lightning bolt and she was destroyed. But as others have said, that doesn't apply to Heracles although I think he more likely wins.

Yes, her name is Semele. For further information you may visit: http://tribes.tribe.net/b9b544af-89e...1-38d6e896dd83

[big_adventure]

No, Hercules is not really Zeus' equal. Even in strength, Zeus still outclasses him by miles being able to pull all of earth with the sky.
Well I wouldn't exactly say that Zeus can wave his hand and open a portal in Tartarus since if that was true, he would have won the Titanomachy instantly. Though he has power over the sky, seas, and the underworld, but of course it's far from absolute.
Herc hasn't displayed any other abilities except super strength, speed, agility, etc. I don't see how he can open a portal to Tartarus since again, if that was true, his 12 labors wouldn't be that hard to accomplish.

You missed my point - I was flat out saying that we don't give Hercules Zeus-level feats.

[Lee-Sensei]

Even if that's fair, I don't know that it would apply to Herc. Hercules != Zeus. Hercules, even after being raised, is still defined as a demigod. Zeus can also wave his hand and open a portal to Tartarus. I don't think that we are going to give Herc that feat, are we?

He doesn't get zeus' feats, but he was considered a full God by the ancient Greeks.

No, Hercules is not really Zeus' equal. Even in strength, Zeus still outclasses him by miles being able to pull all of earth with the sky.

Well he wrestled zeus and tied so they were equals in physical strength.

[IssunBoshi]

I would probably put it as god-Heracles > Thor > mortal-Heracles.

This pretty much sums my thoughts up.

*still can't help but wonder why real or mythology gods/figures/beings are sooooooooooooo underrated*

[Kirika]

Isn't it a fact that the Norse gods themselves weren't immortal? They needed the apples of the goddess Iðunn to keep living?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%C3%B0unn

[Powerboy]

Isn't it a fact that the Norse gods themselves weren't immortal? They needed the apples of the goddess Iðunn to keep living?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%C3%B0unn

Yes there is though it has nothing to do with a fight. I think there's also a very brief reference to the Greek gods needing ambrosia. I seem to remember that when Hephaustus captured Ares (for having an affair with his wife), there was mention that eventually Ares would wither and die without ambrosia. But it may be just one version of the story.