Wonder Woman #14 Preview

[Frank Fournier]

Not really, circus-like performances hold little to no interest for me.

And yet you're still coming to participate in circus-like performances here...

I know someone made a joke that doesn't have anything to do with my posts on topic, but the interview is really cool...
wait a minute...

what's that contraption beside him? Orion's astro harness, or some kind of robot, or what?

My money is on Orion's astro harness.

[Outside_85]

And yet you're still coming to participate in circus-like performances here...

I know someone made a joke that doesn't have anything to do with my posts on topic, but the interview is really cool...
wait a minute...

I consider there being a vast different in the entertainment of say watching the Avengers and going to a circus.

[Gaelforce]

See, to me 'Man of Steel' is just as much of a 'circus act' name as 'Amazing Amazon' - more so as the image that comes to mind for 'Man of Steel' is some big, bare-chested guy with a handlebar moustache in a tarzan outfit with a steel barbell.

[Mr. Holmes]

Well yeah Superman wore a circus get-up (intentionally designed that way) for decades...basically until the reboot.

[Desaad]

I really want to know two things above all;

1. What was this other character Azz was going to write? I previously thought it was Detective Comics, but he said he was going off in a new direction, and Batman stayed the same, so that couldn't be it. Superman was already 'owned' by Morrison, so though Perez seemed like a weird (and last minute) choice for the sister book, I don't think they would have let Azz go off in his own direction if Morrison was doing his thing. Green Lantern and Aquaman seem like they are 'owned' by Geoff Johns, even if Geoff is a little aimless with Green Lantern at the moment. I believe that, at the time, he wanted to continue with it. Flash? Green Arrow (this would explain JT Krul getting the character again)? Hawkman was meant to go to Robinson, which explains why Tony Daniel came in last minute, so I doubt Azz was ever in contention there.

2. What was this other direction for Wonder Woman? Jeez, for someone who has no real interest in the character to have such a visceral reaction it must have been atrocious.

[Desaad]

And yet you're still coming to participate in circus-like performances here...

I know someone made a joke that doesn't have anything to do with my posts on topic, but the interview is really cool...
wait a minute...



My money is on Orion's astro harness.

It's definitely the Astro Harness. We saw it in Chiang's redesigns.

[Outside_85]

See, to me 'Man of Steel' is just as much of a 'circus act' name as 'Amazing Amazon' - more so as the image that comes to mind for 'Man of Steel' is some big, bare-chested guy with a handlebar moustache in a tarzan outfit with a steel barbell.

Funnily enough that's the same image I had. I suppose the Amazing Amazon would be a circus strong woman. And the Dark Knight....is it wrong I end up thinking about Monthy Phythons Black Knight?

[Frank Fournier]

Funnily enough that's the same image I had. I suppose the Amazing Amazon would be a circus strong woman. And the Dark Knight....is it wrong I end up thinking about Monthy Phythons Black Knight?

Not at all. I exactly had the same images for the three of them that you and Gaelforce had when you mentionned a circus theme. Black Knight = Mython Python's Black Knight. It came up in my mind right away. Even worse for The Man of Steel because I thought it could be a title for a porno film. But I didn't want to say it until now...

[Gaelforce]

None shall pass!!!

:)

[Outside_85]

Tis but a scratch!

[RayRay1127]

I've finally broken down and started reading this version of Wonder Woman... and it's really funny to me that this book is so "critically acclaimed"... To me, I wait a month to read a comic for less than 10 minutes... That is NOT good writing to me, as it's hard to follow a story that's given in such minuscule parts. That, and the story line isn't that great... It's passable, but there've been MUCH better Wonder Woman stories WITHOUT messing her entire origin and history up. Just saying.

I get the book cause it's Wonder Woman, and if nothing else, at least I have some nice drawing references, cause I like Chiang's style. And every time this Azzerello guy gets interviewed, he makes me want to punch him! For many people I know, the fact that WW was sculpted from clay by her mother has NOTHING to do with feminism, and EVERYTHING to do with a mother's pure and powerful LOVE... So he had to give her a father to "ground" her and make her more relatable...? That's bologna. I and many MANY people I know can relate just fine to strong motherly love. And as for explaining her in a few sentences?

"Sculpted from clay, given life and powers by the greek gods and raised on a hidden island inhabited by amazons." OMG, that was SOOO hard! And NO PERSON on Earth could EVER wrap their head around that!!! All characters NEED to be the product 2 parents or our little heads will explode!!! SHEESH!

[slvn]

Green Arrow (this would explain JT Krul getting the character again)?

That could be; a relatively "street-level" character like Oliver would have seemed like a more natural fit for Azzarello.

Hawkman was meant to go to Robinson, which explains why Tony Daniel came in last minute, so I doubt Azz was ever in contention there.

Do we know when this conversation happened? I've always gotten the sense that it was very early in the planning for what eventually became the New 52? Couldn't it be that Robinson and Daniel were only considered for Hawkman after Azz took Wonder Woman instead? (By the way, I had the impression that Daniels got Wonder Woman because DC liked his pitch better than Robinson's; Robinson sounded a little annoyed about it when he mentioned it on a podcast, and he may have wanted to write it while also writing Earth 2.) Anyway, Green Arrow seems a little more likely, but if Azz had an interest in mythology, I can imagine him wanting to take Hawkman and focus on teh ancient Egyptian element.

I don't see the Flash as someone Azz would be that interested in--but, then again, I might have said that about OWnder Woman too, before he took her on.

2. What was this other direction for Wonder Woman? Jeez, for someone who has no real interest in the character to have such a visceral reaction it must have been atrocious.

JMS once said "You look at someone like Trinity from the "Matrix" movies, and you see a woman who can be strong, sexy, dangerous and modern." This is pure speculation on my part, but if JMS or someone who liked this idea was thinking of Trinity as a model in a more thorough way than is evident in that quote--a gritty, gun-toting, fast-driving, computer-hacking badass in an urban science fiction setting, with no connections to Greek mythology--I can see how even someone who hadn't followed the character would say "that doesn't sound like Wonder Woman."

[Mr. Holmes]

That could be; a relatively "street-level" character like Oliver would have seemed like a more natural fit for Azzarello.

It's possible. But I think with Green Arrow, it might have been editorial's call to make him the weird Tony Stark/James Bond mash-up to try to (vainly) synch him with the Smallville version. There were prospects of a Green Arrow TV show long before, but they probably didn't anticipate the more Grell-ish direction they would actually go for.

So with that (speculated) editorial decision, I can't see Azz wanting to do that.

Do we know when this conversation happened? I've always gotten the sense that it was very early in the planning for what eventually became the New 52? Couldn't it be that Robinson and Daniel were only considered for Hawkman after Azz took Wonder Woman instead? (By the way, I had the impression that Daniels got Wonder Woman because DC liked his pitch better than Robinson's; Robinson sounded a little annoyed about it when he mentioned it on a podcast, and he may have wanted to write it while also writing Earth 2.) Anyway, Green Arrow seems a little more likely, but if Azz had an interest in mythology, I can imagine him wanting to take Hawkman and focus on teh ancient Egyptian element.

Nothing said in stone, but if you link the dots, it's a very straight forward conclusion. Bleeding Cool had called that Robinson and Tan were going to do Hawkman as a Brightest Day spinoff (he worked with Johns on revamping this version of Hawkman years ago). Then we saw that Daniel's Hawkman ended up going a completely direction. And the fact that Daniel was involved is a good indicator that this is a last minute change. Also, Robinson has sort of expressed apathy in the new Hawkman when discussiong Earth-2 and a possible Hawkgirl/Hawkman meet-up.

JMS once said "You look at someone like Trinity from the "Matrix" movies, and you see a woman who can be strong, sexy, dangerous and modern." This is pure speculation on my part, but if JMS or someone who liked this idea was thinking of Trinity as a model in a more thorough way than is evident in that quote--a gritty, gun-toting, fast-driving, computer-hacking badass in an urban science fiction setting, with no connections to Greek mythology--I can see how even someone who hadn't followed the character would say "that doesn't sound like Wonder Woman."

In JMS's defense, I highly doubt he intended to be so literal with the Trinity comparison, but yes I do think it was going to be something based on Odyssey.

[Outside_85]

I've finally broken down and started reading this version of Wonder Woman... and it's really funny to me that this book is so "critically acclaimed"... To me, I wait a month to read a comic for less than 10 minutes... That is NOT good writing to me, as it's hard to follow a story that's given in such minuscule parts. That, and the story line isn't that great... It's passable, but there've been MUCH better Wonder Woman stories WITHOUT messing her entire origin and history up. Just saying.

Welcome to the complaint from yesteryear.

But if you are reading the book in 10 minutes and fail to understand it usually means you aren't really trying either.

[RayRay1127]

Welcome to the complaint from yesteryear.

But if you are reading the book in 10 minutes and fail to understand it usually means you aren't really trying either.

Oh I'm trying. I'm trying hard. And everyone is entitled to like what they like, but I don't like Azz's writing. I "get" the story, I just think there've been better ones. And I think the fact that there are more pictures and less text says a lot about Azz.