SWTOR goes F2P

[Alex]

I've tried to talk one of my friends into DC Universe Online as it has another arena system. But your winnings are based on feats and not ratings.. Which I don't really care for, as much as I love the whole superhero genre. Sucks, that Marvel Heroes doesn't have PvP in it right now.

If you measuring stick is wow then DCUO isn't going to come close in that sort of pvp.
I bought guild wars 2 and played for 5 minutes, not because it's bad but because i haven't had time to play it (and no sub so... no rush) but maybe it has a more developed system?

[Wjowski]

Gameplay sure, but wow had a lot of things everquest and daoc didn't.
Easy leveling and quest based gameplay is actually the biggest change.
Anyone being able to do endgame was another thing wow did.
WoW made mmos mainstream, whatever it did with button clicking is just dressing for that fact.

There were other MMOs besides Everquest and DAoC

Hell, City of Heroes and Anarchy Online had quest-based gameplay before WoW was around.

And WoW didn't make anything mainstream besides itself. Outside of WoW MMOs remain thoroughly niche. Nothing else on the market is even remotely close to WoW's numbers.

[Alex]

There were other MMOs besides Everquest and DAoC

Hell, City of Heroes and Anarchy Online had quest-based gameplay before WoW was around.

And WoW didn't make anything mainstream besides itself. Outside of WoW MMOs remain thoroughly niche. Nothing else on the market is even remotely close to WoW's numbers.

I played city of heroes at launch, it was in no way quest based like WoW.
Especialy the way wow has been since burning crusade, where you could go from 1-70 without ever grinding because you never ran out of quests.
I remember having to grind a ton in city of heroes.

And wow is an mmo, and it is the closest to mainstream, so saying it only made itself mainstream doesn't change the fact that it's an mmo that was mainstream.

[Addams]

City of Heroes always had way enough quests to reach the max level without having to grind like a madman.

And yeah, played this game since the start too, thank you very much.

[Alex]

City of Heroes always had way enough quests to reach the max level without having to grind like a madman.

And yeah, played this game since the start too, thank you very much.

Go in this building that looks identical to every other building a million times with what seems to be a randomly generated task isn't exactly the same thing as 50 zones with individual stories that progress to an end point and leads to the next zone.
Sorry, i've played almost every single mmo that's come out minus a lot of korean mmos, and wow started that.

[Wjowski]

I played city of heroes at launch, it was in no way quest based like WoW.
Especialy the way wow has been since burning crusade, where you could go from 1-70 without ever grinding because you never ran out of quests.
I remember having to grind a ton in city of heroes.

And wow is an mmo, and it is the closest to mainstream, so saying it only made itself mainstream doesn't change the fact that it's an mmo that was mainstream.

So did I. And at least seventy percent of the game involved doing missions for contacts. Even if it wasn't a perfect replica of what WoW is now it was the same idea. And WoW back then wasn't much better, with several painful gaps between levels where all the quests were way too high for you complete and you'd have to grind up the old-fashioned way.

And on this point you're just arguing semantics. WoW only elevated itself, the rest of the MMO genre pretty much remained much the same, if not worse off than before. I'd compare it to the WWE and the pro-wrestling business in general, actually.

Go in this building that looks identical to every other building a million times with what seems to be a randomly generated task isn't exactly the same thing as 50 zones with individual stories that progress to an end point and leads to the next zone.
Sorry, i've played almost every single mmo that's come out minus a lot of korean mmos, and wow started that.

City of Heroes had story-driven missions first, plain and simple. Even if you didn't like the scenery.

[Addams]

Go in this building that looks identical to every other building a million times with what seems to be a randomly generated task isn't exactly the same thing as 50 zones with individual stories that progress to an end point and leads to the next zone.
Sorry, i've played almost every single mmo that's come out minus a lot of korean mmos, and wow started that.

I understand that you're a WOW fan but that's just not true.

[Wjowski]

I understand that you're a WOW fan but that's just not true.

I like WoW too, but quite frankly it doesn't have an original bone in it's body. Innovation has never been Blizzard's strong point.

[Alex]

I understand that you're a WOW fan but that's just not true.

Quit playing wow years ago, and you're starting a strawman arguement.
Just because you are a coh fan doesn't mean it's randomly generated missons that were almost all identical in identical locations were like wow.
See?
Daoc came out 3 years before both games, i recall doing quests in it. But it was a couple per zone.

[Wjowski]

Just because you are a coh fan doesn't mean it's randomly generated missons that were almost all identical in identical locations were like wow.
See?

Nobody claimed they were identical. Just CoH had the general idea first.

[Shikidum]

IS SWTOR going to run for at least a year or do i have to jump in right now before they close it down?

[Addams]

I guess it's going to survive the year yeah. They probably are going to change some elements of their free to play system cause honestly as it is now it's just not good enough for really bringing a lot of players back but i don't think that it's going to die just yet.

[Shikidum]

Survive the year.

You mean 2013?

[Addams]

Yep.

Man, lot of people are going to be freaking surprised if it dies in 2012.

[Shikidum]

Ok, thanks.