Birds of Prey #14 Preview/Discussion

[Talisman]

I agree on getting rid of Batgirl. They should add Helena/Huntress to this book if she never ends up going back to Earth 2.

[Bluebow]

Yah, Batgirl is being editorially mandated to be in BOP since Barbara Gordon has always been in the book in the past. However the current path of the book and the change in Bab's status as the hero who is Batgirl who has never been Oracle makes her really not fit. But I guess DC won't let her loose from the book no matter what, at least that's how it's coming across.

I wonder how she finds the time for such a busy schedule, getting a proposal from the Joker and going on a trip to Japan, or the money for that matter as she does not appear to have a job.

[batGRRRl4ever]

Any trips that are BOP missions most probably is funded by either Dinah or Ev, from money squirreled away from their spy days. But you bring up the point again that Batgirl's character doesn't come across as the same person between how either of the writers are depicting them in both BOP and Bagirl.

I always get amused by the crowd though that always seems to have a preference for any bat-depiction or title that leads to LOWER sales, as those posters say they love the BOP depiction of Batgirl but hate her in the much higher selling solo title.

[LoneNecromancer]

I always get amused by the crowd though that always seems to have a preference for any bat-depiction or title that leads to LOWER sales, as those posters say they love the BOP depiction of Batgirl but hate her in the much higher selling solo title.

What's amusing about it? People are entitled to like what they like and how successful a title is doesn't really make sense as a reason for how much you like it. I've had to see people pass up quality books like Demon Knights and I, Vampire for that reason ("it's good, but eh, it'll probably get cancelled soon, I won't bother"). I've pointed out numerous times the New 52 is more successful commercially to many people who've argued otherwise, but I'm not arguing about whether that means they're not allowed to dislike it because it's selling better.

[Bluebow]

Any trips that are BOP missions most probably is funded by either Dinah or Ev, from money squirreled away from their spy days. But you bring up the point again that Batgirl's character doesn't come across as the same person between how either of the writers are depicting them in both BOP and Bagirl.

I always get amused by the crowd though that always seems to have a preference for any bat-depiction or title that leads to LOWER sales, as those posters say they love the BOP depiction of Batgirl but hate her in the much higher selling solo title.

I liked the way Batgirl was portrayed in BOP #0, but at the moment am still buying Batgirl as it seems to have improved since #12. I know some opponents would be tougher than others, but it seems more like her competence and confidence fluctuating wildly than any greater or lesser ability in those opponents. I will give it a few more issues before i give up on it.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

I agree on getting rid of Batgirl. They should add Helena/Huntress to this book if she never ends up going back to Earth 2.

I too agree about getting rid of Babs (and Condor too). I think adding Cass Cain or Steph Brown (as Black Bat or Spoiler, respectively) would be a great move for DC. It'd satisfy all their respective fan boys, and add an interesting and entertaining dynamic to the group (either of the girls). Dinah, Sterling, and Cass/Steph (or both...but probably more Steph) would be a great group to read, imo.

[Hostile Kangaroo]

Teen Titans #8, page #11. Kurt Lance. Kurt Lance is the Black Canary's not-really-dead husband, and his new mission after "comeback from death"/surviving is catch the Teen Titans (Teen Titans #13 last page). And Dinah didn't know yet that Kurt is alive, she still thinks that she murdered him 3 years ago. And him is the reason that her canary cry doesn't work properly.

That's not really a connection between them, that's more of a connection between the Birds and the Suicide Squad if anything. I assumed it would say something in this issue like to solicit implied. Oh well. I was kind of hoping Dinah and Tim would be related somehow (Drake).

[The Great Grape]

I always get amused by the crowd though that always seems to have a preference for any bat-depiction or title that leads to LOWER sales, as those posters say they love the BOP depiction of Batgirl but hate her in the much higher selling solo title.

It's seen sometimes with various hobby or interest related topics in so far as I've viewed the net. Things like "John Cena should be fired" or "Ford should offer manual transmissions across their line."

Gail Simone kind of covered it with her tumblr comments about different classes of readers imo.

[Little MY]

Sales are in line with the previous Birds Of Prey run, it sold around 25,000 copies in October. The Trade Paperback of V1 made #2 on the NY times best seller list so it aint selling that bad at all. Birds of Prey is doing ok for itself economically, now if Duane can steady the plot and pick up all the pieces and give it some stability and strucutre that would be much appreciated.

I love the new art work, hope the artist sticks around.

[mrrightnow]

I don't care who else is on the team, but Black Canary and Batgirl HAVE to be there. Dinah and Barbara are the original Birds!

[Shimarenda]

This issue was more cohesive than most, though it still threw a lot of unexplained stuff in there.

I think it would be good to pare the group back to Black Canary and Starling, with Batgirl providing an assist about every fourth or fifth issue. That would force a change in Starling's secret whatever-she's-up-to.

[Ed Sizzers]

Didn't hate it. Didn't love it. Coulda done without Dinah getting sucker-powered again.

If there was an indifferent smiley, this is where I'd have put it.

[new_onslaught]

Just read it. It was better than the last one. If they wrap up all the loose ends I might forgive the bad editorial and give the new writer a chance.