All New X-Men #1: Dear God, Cyclops sounds like a...

[imperial90]

True she is that but since she copied his genetics that pretty much makes her a mutant by default since she is his sister despite being a psychic entity with genocidal tendencies.

Wouldn't that be like saying U-Men killing mutants is the same thing as mutants killing mutants?

[Babyhater666]

He reminds just a lil of Charlie sheen in a way.

[jphamlore]

Thanos should also show up sometime and tell the emerging mutants it gets better.

[Juggernaut Punch]

Wouldn't that be like saying U-Men killing mutants is the same thing as mutants killing mutants?

This. Nova is as much a mutant as Mystique is whatever she turns into.

[Harbinger_of_Kaos]

Wouldn't that be like saying U-Men killing mutants is the same thing as mutants killing mutants?

I'm not familiar with the origins of the U-men actually, when did they first show up?

[en.sabah.nerd]

Maybe Bendis will go a different route with Cyclops, but as he's been written in the past, Cyclops has been a brilliant strategist. Since the Whedon run when Cyclops had the X-Men take on Breakworld and win (still one of the best Cyclops moments ever), the consistent idea for the character is that he can game out conflicts with incredible accuracy and is then willing to take audacious risks in order to win. In fact, he wouldn't describe them as "risks" because he knows the outcome already. That was his excuse in Schism when Wolverine (correctly) condemned him for using child soldiers: There wasn't a better option if the goal was to rescue as many mutants as possible.

From my reading, while Cyclops was sitting in his cell at the end of Consequences thinking about that kid's murder and about Wolverine's visit, he was gaming out his different courses of action. While his initial plan was to become a martyr and thus inspire other activists for mutant survival, he seemed to come to conclusion that it wouldn't be enough. Now Wolverine and his faction is worried that Cyclops is going to inspire a backlash against mutants that will be worse than the current status quo. My question is whether that's a fair concern, given how Cyclops has been written so far... he's a master strategist, right? He must be taking into account the backlash mutants are going to face from his actions, and be pricing that risk into the bigger picture.

Maybe his plan is to get mutants safely to Wolverine's mutant reservation where they'll be protected (Wolverine being Captain America's buddy and an Avenger gives the Jean Grey School some degree of official protection). Given that the government response to emerging mutants so far is pretty much the same as it's always been: imprison them pre-emptively (which in the past made mutants vulnerable to all manner of torture and abuse), Cyclops' solution so far seems to be reasonable.

[Fluffyblade]

Maybe Bendis will go a different route with Cyclops, but as he's been written in the past, Cyclops has been a brilliant strategist. Since the Whedon run when Cyclops had the X-Men take on Breakworld and win (still one of the best Cyclops moments ever), the consistent idea for the character is that he can game out conflicts with incredible accuracy and is then willing to take audacious risks in order to win. In fact, he wouldn't describe them as "risks" because he knows the outcome already. That was his excuse in Schism when Wolverine (correctly) condemned him for using child soldiers: There wasn't a better option if the goal was to rescue as many mutants as possible.

From my reading, while Cyclops was sitting in his cell at the end of Consequences thinking about that kid's murder and about Wolverine's visit, he was gaming out his different courses of action. While his initial plan was to become a martyr and thus inspire other activists for mutant survival, he seemed to come to conclusion that it wouldn't be enough. Now Wolverine and his faction is worried that Cyclops is going to inspire a backlash against mutants that will be worse than the current status quo. My question is whether that's a fair concern, given how Cyclops has been written so far... he's a master strategist, right? He must be taking into account the backlash mutants are going to face from his actions, and be pricing that risk into the bigger picture.

Maybe his plan is to get mutants safely to Wolverine's mutant reservation where they'll be protected (Wolverine being Captain America's buddy and an Avenger gives the Jean Grey School some degree of official protection). Given that the government response to emerging mutants so far is pretty much the same as it's always been: imprison them pre-emptively (which in the past made mutants vulnerable to all manner of torture and abuse), Cyclops' solution so far seems to be reasonable.

I'm pretty sure it didn't start Wheedon, Cyclops has been a brilliant strategist long before that, that is when was taking the lead and not following Xavier.

I agree that he is already accounted for the backlash but I imagine what he wants is for the government to crack down harder on mutants ever than before, hence forcing all the other mutants(particularly those at JGS) to fight alongside him since t=he government will be after them too. I think his plan is to unite all mutants by giving them a common enemy.

[theDarkestKnight]

I really hope they don't decide to make Cyclops soft again. I love this new Cyclops, he is a total badass and a true hero, I don't care what anyone says.

[chakal]

I don't Cyclops will ever be the same old boy scout, and I don't think anyone wants it.

[Dalarsco]

But didn't the old Cyclops frown upon that mentality as he saw it would only inspire more fear than understanding? He has either ignored this past experience or he is trying to justify it under the pretense of atonement.

Haven't you ever changed your mind on an issue after different experiences? Yes, he disagreed with X-Force at first. Then he got to know his son better, and invited X-Force to operate out of the X-Mansion. He was then merged with Apocalypse (explicitly darkening his personality a bit), ditched his goody goody wife for a more ruthless woman, and watched some of the most terrible years of mutant persecution on record. From his point of view Xavier's dream isn't enough anymore.

[RandomDave]

It could be Cyclops figures that any backlash for his actions couldn't be any worse than the current state. The authorities are quite willing to arrange the murder of mutants whether they are a threat or not, and you even have Captain America extorting Logan over the safety of children. Mutants are seriously getting screwed and need someone to protect them from the governments and the "Good Guys". Villains it is indeed. :)

[Harbinger_of_Kaos]

I'm pretty sure it didn't start Wheedon, Cyclops has been a brilliant strategist long before that, that is when was taking the lead and not following Xavier.

I agree that he is already accounted for the backlash but I imagine what he wants is for the government to crack down harder on mutants ever than before, hence forcing all the other mutants(particularly those at JGS) to fight alongside him since t=he government will be after them too. I think his plan is to unite all mutants by giving them a common enemy.

One problem with that plan, with the resurgence of mutants Bishop, Rachel and the Days of the Future Past timelines can now occur. His actions though well meaning (to him at least) will cause a rise of tensions between the world goverments and mutants as a whole thus adding more fuel for them to happen, so yes while they will be united (i use that term loosely) it will be in a world that will hate and fear them only with no chance of co-existance whatsoever and only leads down a path of mutually assured destruction for humans and mutants.

As much as a tactical genius he is he can't foresee every minute detail, it doesn't work that way because he is still a flawed being driven by a need to do everything he can to protect mutants. He can anticipate only so much reactions and when the time comes when he makes a mistake it may cost more than he is prepared to pay for. He is walking a fine line and playing a dangerous games with a lot of innocent lives.

[Harbinger_of_Kaos]

Haven't you ever changed your mind on an issue after different experiences? Yes, he disagreed with X-Force at first. Then he got to know his son better, and invited X-Force to operate out of the X-Mansion. He was then merged with Apocalypse (explicitly darkening his personality a bit), ditched his goody goody wife for a more ruthless woman, and watched some of the most terrible years of mutant persecution on record. From his point of view Xavier's dream isn't enough anymore.

Well to start off you really shouldn't have mentioned when he cheated on Jean given the fact that it only started me down the path of hating his guts and really hating his bitch, but that is a topic for another thread and another time.

But in regards to the Xavier dream is not enough, that mentality came after M-Day, before that they were close to achieving it. However once it became a race for survival did he switch gears and went the Old School Magneto route, and you have to agree it did not end well for Magneto and it sure as hell won't end well for Cyclops either if he chooses to go down that path regardless of his reasons of whatever methods he uses to prove himself right.

[Harbinger_of_Kaos]

It could be Cyclops figures that any backlash for his actions couldn't be any worse than the current state. The authorities are quite willing to arrange the murder of mutants whether they are a threat or not, and you even have Captain America extorting Logan over the safety of children. Mutants are seriously getting screwed and need someone to protect them from the governments and the "Good Guys". Villains it is indeed. :)

Can we please not start the whole i hate the Avengers deal here agin? Marvel screwed both teams over, deal with it or don't but it is over and done with and we have to accept that Marvel loves to screw with their characters and us in the process.

[Fluffyblade]

One problem with that plan, with the resurgence of mutants Bishop, Rachel and the Days of the Future Past timelines can now occur. His actions though well meaning (to him at least) will cause a rise of tensions between the world goverments and mutants as a whole thus adding more fuel for them to happen, so yes while they will be united (i use that term loosely) it will be in a world that will hate and fear them only with no chance of co-existance whatsoever and only leads down a path of mutually assured destruction for humans and mutants.

As much as a tactical genius he is he can't foresee every minute detail, it doesn't work that way because he is still a flawed being driven by a need to do everything he can to protect mutants. He can anticipate only so much reactions and when the time comes when he makes a mistake it may cost more than he is prepared to pay for. He is walking a fine line and playing a dangerous games with a lot of innocent lives.

At this point Days of Future past is kinda irrelevant, since then they've been shown to be maybe 2 dozen dystopian futures so that's moot point.

I think the major think you're overlooking is that this will only lead to mutual destruction for both human and mutant if it the war becomes a stalemate, if the mutants win(which must be his plan) then he will have his revolution and whether the humans like it or not there will be coexistence.

As for him him being able to foresee everything I think you're just underestimating him. Maybe go read the Breakworld, Dark X-men, or Second Coming arcs for example of his brilliance. He can get it done.