Bleeding Cool's mostly redacted possible ASM 700 Spoiler

[TheOther]

To clarify, under this theory, Peter would STILL remember he's Spider-Man because the only memories he would have left are everything that has happened to him while he was Spider-Man. But everything that happened to him while he was Peter Parker he would have no memory of. And no one would have any memory of Peter Parker either. As far as the world is concerned, there was no such person as Peter Parker. But everyone still remembers Spider-Man. They just don't know who he really is and neither does Peter because he himself has forgotten that he's really Peter Parker. And because he doesn't remember ever being Peter Parker and the moral guidelines that Uncle Ben had instilled in him, he thus becomes a more aggressive and darker character.

Good theory. So all he would know is that he is Spider-Man. So basically anything that he did as PP would be gone as well. Horizon, MJ, etc.?

[stillanerd]

Good theory. So all he would know is that he is Spider-Man. So basically anything that he did as PP would be gone as well. Horizon, MJ, etc.?

Well, here's where this theory would potentially get very weird. Peter would still remember working with Horizon Labs, that he got his tech there, maybe even that he used their facilities to invent his Spidey tech, so he'd know that he must have worked there in some capacity. But, because no remembers Peter Parker, there's no memory or record of a Peter Parker having ever working there. And as for Mary Jane, Peter would still remember having a relationship with her, but, because neither he or MJ would remember there ever being such a person as Peter Parker, she, even though she knows Spider-Man, doesn't ever remember having a romantic relationship with him.

Also, this theory would mean Carlie Cooper, while having no memory of Peter Parker, has some memory of once knowing Spider-Man's true identity because she'd still remember they worked together on cases. however, if she gets a DNA sample from Spider-Man and analysis it, she would discover, much to her shock, that there's no one on file in any database anywhere that's a perfect DNA match which, as far as she knows, is impossible.

[Scott Taylor]

I sincerely, honestly, truly down to the bottom of my little toe hope they don't go with another psychic blindspot nonsense. There are written records of Peter all over the place, as well as photos, other documentation. It was impossible to swallow after OMD, and would be just as hard now. Hoping its something more creative and less Deus Ex Stupida.

[HapersRow]

Well, here's where this theory would potentially get very weird. Peter would still remember working with Horizon Labs, that he got his tech there, maybe even that he used their facilities to invent his Spidey tech, so he'd know that he must have worked there in some capacity. But, because no remembers Peter Parker, there's no memory or record of a Peter Parker having ever working there. And as for Mary Jane, Peter would still remember having a relationship with her, but, because neither he or MJ would remember there ever being such a person as Peter Parker, she, even though she knows Spider-Man, doesn't ever remember having a romantic relationship with him.

Also, this theory would mean Carlie Cooper, while having no memory of Peter Parker, has some memory of once knowing Spider-Man's true identity because she'd still remember they worked together on cases. however, if she gets a DNA sample from Spider-Man and analysis it, she would discover, much to her shock, that there's no one on file in any database anywhere that's a perfect DNA match which, as far as she knows, is impossible.

Dan Slott did point out that the relaunched main Spider-Man title would be "dark & weird".

[TheOther]

I wouldn't be surprised if it is something as simple as Doc Ock having a soft moment and gives Peter something; whether it be tech, somehow implanting his own intelligence, etc. to make him "Superior". Can't wait until mid-december to find out what happens in #698 and then early-mid January to read issues 699 and 700!

[David Walton]

For some reason, I want to sing this thread's title to the tune of the late 80s Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme song.

"Bleeding Cool's Mostly Redacted Possible ASM 700 Spoiler...creators in a strip club...vodka power!"

[Scott Taylor]

Maybe Doc Ock has a change of heart towards the end, decides to forgive Peter and then Dr. Strange makes everyone forget who Doc Ock was, including Peter. He gets a second chance, a reset of sorts.

[bluebottle]

To clarify, under this theory, Peter would STILL remember he's Spider-Man because the only memories he would have left are everything that has happened to him while he was Spider-Man. But everything that happened to him while he was Peter Parker he would have no memory of. And no one would have any memory of Peter Parker either. As far as the world is concerned, there was no such person as Peter Parker. But everyone still remembers Spider-Man. They just don't know who he really is and neither does Peter because he himself has forgotten that he's really Peter Parker. And because he doesn't remember ever being Peter Parker and the moral guidelines that Uncle Ben had instilled in him, he thus becomes a more aggressive and darker character.

You definitely have the most interesting theories I've read... But you have yet to explain the stingers and the claw feet!

[Chachi]

does 698 still come out next week, or did it get pushed back a week?

[stillanerd]

You definitely have the most interesting theories I've read... But you have yet to explain the stingers and the claw feet!

Yeah, that is the big drawback to it. Same with any "body swap" theory. However, here's an idea why Peter, if he's the Superior Spider-Man, would need retractable claws.

The gold octobot.

We know that the octobots Doc Ock has invented are capable of tapping into anything with an electrical signal, including a person's brain, presumably because they too give off electrical signals. And they are remotely connected with Doc Ock's brain. So what if this gold octobot latches onto Peter and does two things.

First, by analyzing the electrical impulses in Peter's brain, it's able to read all of Peter memories, including his subconscious, and transmits what it reads directly to Doc Ock's brain. Thus, Doc Ock not only learns Peter is Spider-Man, but also everything about him, including Peter's deepest, darkest fears and desires. And the second function it does is that it shuts off Peter's powers. That's because Doc Ock, having studied and fought Spidey for years, has deduced that Spidey's abilities are really a form of rudimentary electromagnetism, particularly when it comes to his wall-crawling abilities and spider-sense. Thus the gold octobot simply shorted them out.

Thus, Peter is doubly screwed because not only does Doc Ock know who he really is, he can anticipate what Peter will do, can target anyone Peter cares about, and because Peter doesn't have any powers, he can't use them to protect himself or his loved ones, especially from his villains, which Doc Ock sics after them. Thus Peter has to use his scientific know-how to compensate for those missing powers, hence the new suit which allows for added durability, retractable claws for wall-crawling, thermal and night vision, etc.

[ShaggyB]

does 698 still come out next week, or did it get pushed back a week?

11/21

so yep next week. Dan Slott stopped by earlier to tell us that 1st print is sold out at a distributor level. All including re-orders are spoken for. 2nd print coming soon. (before 700, but might be the week after 699). So if your store is out and doesnt have reorders coming, you are down to digital or ebay. Good luck.

[CMBMOOL]

It's either two things to me: Mephisto and/or the Other powers coming back to Peter Parker.

I think it's the other powers given the solicts for Scarlet Spider.

[stephen wacker]

There's nothing to indicate that we're talking about a writer. It could be an artist or an editor.

The most debaucherous comic book writer ever may be the guy who wrote a memoir about the prostitutes he's been with.

If my wife is reading, Honey I was home with YOU that night!

SW

[Cody1982]

Just going to throw my theory out there.

Dr. Strange doesn't attempt to make everyone forget Peter, but tries to redo the spell from OMD so that everyone once again forgets Peter is Spider-man. He has to strengthen the spell, as it has been used before, and causes Peter to forget as well. This allows Peter to be a civilian in Superior Spider-man but rediscover his abilities and come back at a later point. When he does, the fact that he's no longer an Avenger allows Slott to cut way back on the number of people who know his identity, as he's said that he would like to do. Just my two cents.

[Neutrino]

As if Dave Johnson would redact anything if he actually knew the full plot.

Hopefully Doctor Strange stays out. We all love Annual #2, but these two work well as an occasional teamup. Not as a retcon machine.