Last edited by Lotech; 12-02-2012 at 10:21 PM.
I think I'm going to leave the WW board for awhile. Let things cool down.
Last edited by Lotech; 12-02-2012 at 10:37 PM.
It isn't that I don't value a creator's ideas (as in JK Rowling saying that Dumbledore was gay), but Gail (or Rucka, or even Azzarello for that matter) isn't the final decision maker when it comes to Wonder Woman, DC is. So until DC allows WW to be anything other than straight, then those writer's personal beliefs are simply that. Personal beliefs.
I don't even think that announcements like that cause much of a shockwave as people think it would. One of the first characters to appear in comics being openly gay was Rictor, by Louise Simonson. I believe it was in the X-Factor comic in 1986-87. I remember it being on the news.
Tracked it down: Here it is.
In 2012 this sort of thing ISNT that big.
Velvet: The Unusual Superheroine!
I asked for folks not to post pictures only because:
1. Links break or don't work on some computers, so some folks get a response that's just a little red X
2. Pictures take up more bandwidth, and a brief exchange like the two of you had wasn't bad, but it can rapidly spiral out of hand
3. Pictures can be misinterpreted. It's harder to tell if folks are being humorous or if they're being dismissive/insulting without words for context
And as Javier said, if you feel there are other posts that are being overlooked, please use the Report feature. We may not agree with your assessment, but we may also have overlooked it.
WW Forum Mom
WW/Superman/TV & Film Moderator
1) This is true, and I was just putting my opinion on the Code out there. If it came across as being directed at you, that wasnt my intent. Just my blanket opinion on the matter.
2) Ha! True that, man. But they're not all bad. Some of them have even knocked out some gems on occasion.
3) I'd mostly agree with you there. Certainly more important than Green Lanterns. I think Superman tops the list, but Im biased as hell. But however you slice it, Diana just might be one of modern fiction's greatest achievements. Not sure what your point is though. Still, agreed!
4) Im sorry to hear that you got the short end of the stick, man. (girl?) It still amuses me that several of our greatest sports anthems came from Queen, given that jocks have a bad rep for being homophobes. But, and not to be insensitive here, I again miss your point. Are you saying that kids would avoid buying Wonder Woman merch if she were not straight?
5) Why should content be prevented? I certainly agree that a rating system is needed. As a parent, I want to know what my son is getting into. But the "T for Teen" system used in video games and now comics seems decent enough. If it doesnt seem to work, perhaps the parents should pay more attention?
6) Never has been. Our country (assuming you too are American) was founded on ideals that we have never managed to match up too. But that doesnt mean we stop trying, or that someday we wont truly be what we strive for.
7) Fair enough. My stubbornness can slip into closed mindedness at times. But mostly I just dont tolerate intolerance. Still, you never gear yourself for the lowest common denominator. You aim high, and if some fall behind.....sad to say, but survival of the fittest, so to speak.
8) Okay, ten minutes. But look at the news. Some people are still trying to make homosexuality a big deal. But they are failing wonderfully. Look at One Million Moms. Laughed off the 'net. Granted, Diana is a different animal because she is so well known. But I maintain that people would roll with it fairly quickly, and the voices of those few who cant would simply be like the people right now who are still racist. A bunch of last century idiots screaming their dying breath.
9) I've never said that the Island should/would/could be the only factor in Diana being something other than straight.
10) Fox News smears everything. Let them. They'll end up making fools of themselves.
11) I hear ya.
And hey, almost twenty pages in and things are still chill. Thank you everyone for not letting this thread turn into the nightmare I feared it would!
THE LOW BIRTH-RATE IN ANCIENT ROME:
A POSSIBLE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR
No I do not want Sharia law here in America because I am a conservative republican Christian and would not fare well in a society that is ruled by sharia law wither it be here in America or in Africa.
Look I have been bullied attacked persecuted for being a Christian, because someone thought I was gay and I am not. And I have also been attacked for being half Hispanic so please do not use the persecution card on me.
Christians suffer persecution all over the world so please.
And bullying and attacking gays or any group that is not Christian is not a Christian ternate; it goes totally against what Christ taught.
If same sex marriages is legalized, I see no reason why polygamy should not be legalized provided it is with consenting adults especially if it increases the birth rate. Or not.
This thread is about increasing Wonder Woman sales.
And I was just putting out there that if DC and Marvel want to increase sales they might have to seek readers outside the country which means writing comics that are acceptable to their culture.
Especially when you look at Russia who’s population will decrease from 150 million to less than a 100 million in 60 years. I mean the same thing is happening here and with a declining birth rate and with comprehensive immigration mandated which means our borders will be locked down.
And I watch Fox News and they do not smear everything. They give the news the liberal media will not.
Nobody is 'playing a persecution card' and this conversation is veering into far too personal territory.
The subject isn't the fall of Rome, or Sharia Law, or Christianity, or same sex marriage.
The question is, 'in the context of a fictional comic book universe, should Wonder Woman be bisexual.'
Let's get it back on track, please :)
WW Forum Mom
WW/Superman/TV & Film Moderator
Ok, let's not let this devolve into something it is not supposed to be.
If you want to refer to distaff ideas and cultural norms, etc. in an argument fine, but please do not use this board as a platform for discussion of those outside ideas in depth. Keep it Wonder Woman related. And not just marginally WW related.
According to the Census Bureau, the U.S. population will double in this century.
Whether current world population levels are sustainable, and whether having replacement-level fertility rates is actually a good thing, is way beyond the scope of this forum. But we can say that for the forseeable future, there will be plenty of Americans (and plenty of people in other countries that are less homophobic than the U.S.) to sustain sales of Wonder Woman and other comics--if only the comics companies can interest people here in buying their books!
Last edited by slvn; 12-03-2012 at 08:55 PM.
I do not think a Lesbian or bi Wonder Woman will appeal to an older population.
That is just my opinion
If DC thinks they can make money by portraying Wonder Woman as lesbian or bi
Go for it.
I personally do not think it will work.
The US population is below replacement levels
This means the population is getting older
The US is not going to depend on Immigration to make up for the lower than replacement levels to make up for the difference.
The world population continues to plummet