Could/Should Diana be bisexual/gay?

[The Darknight Detective]

And I hope you know that you're not speaking for all parents when you say they wouldn't let their kids have anything to do with a gay or bisexual Wonder Woman. Sadly (in my opinion), this is true of some parents, and I'm not a parent myself, but I know that what you say is by no means true of all parents (or even all straight parents.)

I don't think it's parents that would be the problem here, though, but straight kids. Would they purchase Wonder Woman products at the same rate if she became gay or bi?

[slvn]

I don't think it's parents that would be the problem here, though, but straight kids. Would they purchase Wonder Woman products at the same rate if she became gay or bi?

I'm not sure. But I think that the younger generations are, by and large, a lot less hung up on differences of sexual identity. If the book were all about LGBTQ issues all the time, some straight kids might decide the book isn't interesting or relevant enough for them. But if it were about other things and the character just happened to be gay or Lesbian, it might not matter to most people.

[UsagiTsukino]

So what news from Morrison's Earth-One? Last bit of news I heard about the E-1 was about Etta's weight. There was of course the quote about Morrison bringing sexy back to Diana, which was said some time ago, but last I knew nothing about her sexuality had really been brought up. So what did I miss?

And I wouldnt even say its something I'm hoping for (her being gay/bi). I think that Diana being bisexual; or rather, gender blind, makes a certain amount of sense from a contextual standpoint, but its not something I am absolutely advocating. Personally, a character's (or person's) sexual habits dont matter that much to me. Straight, gay, whatever. Its only one small facet of who/what a person is, yknow?

Take the Batwoman comic. She's gay. But the book doesnt revolve around her sexuality. It, like Superman, Spider-Man, or any other form of fictional entertainment, is only one part of the reading experience. And if you switched out Maggie Sawyer for, say, Mark Sawyer, it wouldnt read any differently. Or rather, the differences would be incredibly minor. And thats how it should be. If Diana's sexuality was changed, it should be treated the same way as Kate's.

And let me say that no, the government should have absolutely nothing to do with comics. Nothing. At all. Ever. The comics code nearly killed the industry the first time, its a massive affront to the rights of free speech, and do you really want these people, who cant even balance a checkbook (something most of us learned to do before high school), having any sort of say in what is and is not appropriate? No. I would drop the hobby completely before I saw it polluted by the hands of some reborn McCarthy-era bullsh*t.

If parents dont want their kids reading comics that happen to feature characters that fit outside their comfort zone, its up to the parents to do something about it. Not Uncle Sam. Not me. Not you, or anyone else. And these would be the same parents that keep their kids from watching Glee, HBO, Modern Family, and, at this point, just about any other television show out there right? Seems to me like that sort of thinking, and the people still fighting for that sort of closed mindset, are on the losing end of the battle. Damned if open mindedness is not winning the day. Slowly, but still winning. Like other kinds of equality wars, this will take some time. It already has. But just like with women's rights and black rights, fair treatment will win out in the end.

And finally, I say give Diana more credit. She's been around since forever, and has become a globally recognized character. She is one of the few truly iconic characters to come out of comics (and there are only three or four, really) She's had bad stories and good ones. She has survived the changing of the times, the white costumed mod era, JMS, the 90's, Crisis events, McCarthy, pants, short hair, and dozens of other things I cant recall right now. Survived, thrived (not many characters holding their own solo who are as old as she is), and is still considered *The* poster-child for the feminist mindset. At this point, there is nothing Grant Morrison, or any other creator, can do to irreparably damage Diana. Fox News can say anything they want. MSNBC can do the same. And in the end, at most they could give the character a black eye that would fade in a couple months. You notice how no one gives a damn about Green Lantern being gay? That was quite the hot topic for about five minutes, and now nothing. Even WB, who owns the character, ultimately cant do anything to remove Diana from the global subconscious. She's bigger than that. Bigger than us, and bigger than her modest beginnings in the funny pages. She's out there, hardwired into our DNA, and nothing is going to be able to change that.

I agree. I mean people didn't care on the all on Archie Comics and Kevin. Archie Comics is very well know. I think one it's all how you market and write the character.

[The Darknight Detective]

I'm not sure. But I think that the younger generations are, by and large, a lot less hung up on differences of sexual identity. If the book were all about LGBTQ issues all the time, some straight kids might decide the book isn't interesting or relevant enough for them. But if it were about other things and the character just happened to be gay or Lesbian, it might not matter to most people.

I agree with you that the younger generation is more tolerant, but are they tolerant enough to identify themselves with a gay Wonder Woman via merchandise? I will say it would be easier for a young girl to do so than a young boy, though. IOW, I can't imagine a gay Superman or Batman ever succeeding in my lifetime.

[jestersjoker]

Ya, and I think bigamy should become legal to make up for a declining fertility rate since bigamist are known for their large families. Not to mention that Wonder Woman's creator had two wife's.

[Outside_85]

Ya, and I think bigamy should become legal to make up for a declining fertility rate since bigamist are known for their large families. Not to mention that Wonder Woman's creator had more than wife.

That was an open relationship.

Anyways reason for a lower birthrate is partially due to most young people wanting an education and a good job before they get the family. So even if the birthrate is slowing down, the average IQ is going up.

[jestersjoker]

That was an open relationship.

Sharia law provides for up to 4 wife's

[jestersjoker]

So even if the birthrate is slowing down, the average IQ is going up.

You do know that one of the reasons that the Greek/Roman civilization more or less died out was because of a very low birth rate.

[The Man From Room X]

Well, Gail Simone thought she was!. Here is an exchange from one of her Wonder Woman comics with Black Canary, and Diana (in a different costume):

She thought Black Canary was bisexual, not WW. Although it might be the same for WW as well. Here's more:
http://gailsimone.tumblr.com/post/73...-lgbt-dc-women

[Lotech]

So what news from Morrison's Earth-One? Last bit of news I heard about the E-1 was about Etta's weight. There was of course the quote about Morrison bringing sexy back to Diana, which was said some time ago, but last I knew nothing about her sexuality had really been brought up. So what did I miss?

And I wouldnt even say its something I'm hoping for (her being gay/bi). I think that Diana being bisexual; or rather, gender blind, makes a certain amount of sense from a contextual standpoint, but its not something I am absolutely advocating. Personally, a character's (or person's) sexual habits dont matter that much to me. Straight, gay, whatever. Its only one small facet of who/what a person is, yknow?

Take the Batwoman comic. She's gay. But the book doesnt revolve around her sexuality. It, like Superman, Spider-Man, or any other form of fictional entertainment, is only one part of the reading experience. And if you switched out Maggie Sawyer for, say, Mark Sawyer, it wouldnt read any differently. Or rather, the differences would be incredibly minor. And thats how it should be. If Diana's sexuality was changed, it should be treated the same way as Kate's.

And let me say that no, the government should have absolutely nothing to do with comics. Nothing. At all. Ever. The comics code nearly killed the industry the first time, its a massive affront to the rights of free speech, and do you really want these people, who cant even balance a checkbook (something most of us learned to do before high school), having any sort of say in what is and is not appropriate? No. I would drop the hobby completely before I saw it polluted by the hands of some reborn McCarthy-era bullsh*t.

If parents dont want their kids reading comics that happen to feature characters that fit outside their comfort zone, its up to the parents to do something about it. Not Uncle Sam. Not me. Not you, or anyone else. And these would be the same parents that keep their kids from watching Glee, HBO, Modern Family, and, at this point, just about any other television show out there right? Seems to me like that sort of thinking, and the people still fighting for that sort of closed mindset, are on the losing end of the battle. Damned if open mindedness is not winning the day. Slowly, but still winning. Like other kinds of equality wars, this will take some time. It already has. But just like with women's rights and black rights, fair treatment will win out in the end.

And finally, I say give Diana more credit. She's been around since forever, and has become a globally recognized character. She is one of the few truly iconic characters to come out of comics (and there are only three or four, really) She's had bad stories and good ones. She has survived the changing of the times, the white costumed mod era, JMS, the 90's, Crisis events, McCarthy, pants, short hair, and dozens of other things I cant recall right now. Survived, thrived (not many characters holding their own solo who are as old as she is), and is still considered *The* poster-child for the feminist mindset. At this point, there is nothing Grant Morrison, or any other creator, can do to irreparably damage Diana. Fox News can say anything they want. MSNBC can do the same. And in the end, at most they could give the character a black eye that would fade in a couple months. You notice how no one gives a damn about Green Lantern being gay? That was quite the hot topic for about five minutes, and now nothing. Even WB, who owns the character, ultimately cant do anything to remove Diana from the global subconscious. She's bigger than that. Bigger than us, and bigger than her modest beginnings in the funny pages. She's out there, hardwired into our DNA, and nothing is going to be able to change that.

1) If you remember my post, my line about bringing back the Comic code was ended with a question mark.
2) I have credit for Diana, but I don't trust DC's writers at all.
3) Wonder Woman is more culturally significant than all Green Lanterns combined, maybe more significant than all superheroes combined (except for Superman, perhaps).
4) I know all too well what its like to be harrassed, bullied, and isolated for being a fan of a gay character or entertainer (Queen).
5) I'm no fan of censorship, but I don't see a rating system as preventing content.
6) The First Amendment isn't always enforced evenly.
7) Open-mindedness is subjective.
8) Changing Wonder Woman's orientation would be more than a black-eye, and would stick longer than five minutes.
9) Sexual Orientation is determend by chemical configurations in the brain, not external things like growing up in a single-sex environment.
10) If Wonder Woman were made gay or bi, Fox News would smear the character every time a tv or film project would be launched.
11) I'm tired now.

[The Man From Room X]

I suspect you'll get what your after with Grant Morrison's Wonder Woman Earth One, then news headlines will read Wonder Woman Lesbian (or Bisexual depending on what actually happens in WWEO) just like in the case of Alan Scott. Then every straight kid that is a fan of Wonder Woman will be bullied on the schoolyard and be accused of being gay. Their friends will no longer talk to them and the people they wish to form romantic relationships with will avoid them, thus pushing them deeper into a downward spiral of isolation (I'm speaking from experience here). This is why straight people who want WW to remain straight feel this way about this subject. We would be forced to give her up or be harrassed and isolated. And don't say that turns the tables on us, because I try to treat people as I want to be treated. I feel that with WWEO I'm going to get my heart broken again. PS, I still can't believe DC would allow this (read Grant Morrison's plans for WWEO) to happen to one of their most recognizeable and iconic characters. So sad.

DC isn't thinking about the long-term big picture with this reboot, they just want to sell comic books in the short term (face it, comic books are a fading medium). They don't stop to think about the long term profitablility and reputation of these characters for tv and movies. I can tell you right now that parents won't let their daughters (or sons for that matter) have anything to do with Wonder Woman if she's made gay, bi, or associated with hardcore graphic sexual content. Remember, our culture is more permissive of violence that sex. Remember how crazy people got after that Janet Jackson Super Bowl wardrobe malfunction? DC is going to let Grant Morrison do irreversible long-term damage to WW's future. Its one thing to have Diana and Steve sitting in bed together, but you know Grant won't stop there. I wish someone at Warner would step-in and stop this and quick. Or maybe the government needs to bring in its own Comics code rating system, and this time.... with teeth?

[Lotech]

[Gaelforce]

Guys.

Let's not just post pictures in response to folks.

If you have something to say, use your words please ;)

[Lotech]

Guys.

Let's not just post pictures in response to folks.

If you have something to say, use your words please ;)

It just humor. just having some lite fun.

[UsagiTsukino]

She thought Black Canary was bisexual, not WW. Although it might be the same for WW as well. Here's more:
http://gailsimone.tumblr.com/post/73...-lgbt-dc-women

Gail thought Diana was Bi as well

http://gailsimone.tumblr.com/post/14...n-he-hinted-at