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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Guardian View Post
    Frankly, I think integrity is one of the first things to go out of the window when someone starts on their road to becoming a leader. I really don't think a single leader has a shred of integrity beyond their skillset. And there are probably millions of people that are effective in their jobs with horrible personal lives. There really isn't much relationship there.
    I half agree...I was just citing the reason some seem to be up in arms about it

    hell, personally I think you can only really succeed at that level if you compartmentalize everything
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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    If I was David Petraus I wouldn't have resigned. I would have been out front and said it , "Yes being CIA Director means I nailed that ass..." He could discuss how as CIA director he won over the hearts and minds of many women and this was just part of the deal when he became CIA director. That he needs the booty to do his job at a high level. Look at Tiger Woods. Once he went to sex addiction therapy that dude lost his game. So Petraus ...you should have stayed CIA Director and kept your pimp daddy hand strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Guardian View Post
    And thinking more on it, if there is a relationship between integrity and leadership, then it's probably that a lack of integrity makes a better leader.
    So I take it you voted for Mitt Romney?

    God help us if the American people think integrity doesn't matter in our leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    If I was David Petraus I wouldn't have resigned. I would have been out front and said it , "Yes being CIA Director means I nailed that ass..." He could discuss how as CIA director he won over the hearts and minds of many women and this was just part of the deal when he became CIA director. That he needs the booty to do his job at a high level. Look at Tiger Woods. Once he went to sex addiction therapy that dude lost his game. So Petraus ...you should have stayed CIA Director and kept your pimp daddy hand strong.
    his game did go to crap after he got married
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Guardian View Post
    And thinking more on it, if there is a relationship between integrity and leadership, then it's probably that a lack of integrity makes a better leader.
    Now that's an odd theory. I would think that a leader can better motivate people if people don't think the leader is full of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winslow View Post
    God help us if the American people think integrity doesn't matter in our leadership.
    it does matter...I think what happens is, the perspective is being spread to every facet of their lives, not just the job they are doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    his game did go to crap after he got married
    Tiger's game went into the crapper the moment he went into rehab for his affairs. I mean the dude had 120+ affairs in 5-6 years of marriage and was winning. The moment he decided to try and be a good husband (which she still divorced him) and did that , his game went to the shitter. In all I think he should get back out there. Turn THE TIGER loose and he will win again.
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    Here's what's surreal to me...

    I watched both Casino Royale, and then Quantum of Solace before going to see Skyfall. James Bond films, right? Well, these days, there are more concerns over cyber-security from 007 than we get out of the actual people in our real-world intelligence communities. The idea of spies going after babes close to the director of the CSI or high-ranking generals for intel seems like it's more like something out of Broccoli's world of Bond... but there it is.

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    It’s regrettable that the C.I.A. has to lose somebody of Petraeus’ caliber over something like this which has nothing to do with how the man did his job (and by all accounts he was doing a good job).

    Now I wonder if Obama will put another military man in the top spot or will he promote from within the C.I.A. this time.

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    For the record, personal affairs can affect one's job performance. You're really living in a fantasy world if you say otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Vega View Post
    It’s regrettable that the C.I.A. has to lose somebody of Petraeus’ caliber over something like this which has nothing to do with how the man did his job (and by all accounts he was doing a good job).

    Now I wonder if Obama will put another military man in the top spot or will he promote from within the C.I.A. this time.
    again the thinking is, if he is going to be dishonest about his personal life, how can he be trusted to be honest with anyone else? not saying its right, but that is the mindset here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shellhead View Post
    Many people feel that Clinton was a reasonably good president despite his problems keeping his pants on.
    If people think this thing has gotten ugly now they haven't seen anything as yet. Perhaps the FBI forgot the CIA and military computers can crack their email and see who they are screwing and they can have their friends ask around to see see who is screwing who in the FBI and gather pictures and leak it all to the press. Heck, that is the least of what they can do.

    The instinct of people in institutions like the military and the CIA who have just been punched hard by the FBI in areas they believe should have been off limits to them is to punch back.

    What was democrats instinct to the GOP looking into who Clinton's been screwing? Punch back at the side who they saw as punching their guy and find GOP members in Congress who have been having affairs and out them.

    We are beyond the realm of thinking about what is good for the nation at this point and into the realm where emotions like revenge and payback are what matters. Hell, even those thinking logically are going to be out for payback simply to tell the FBI and others for future reference you look at where our leaders are putting their dicks we will do the same to you.

    Expect the FBI to hit back as well after being struck... at this point I don't think even the WH can stop the circular firing squad that is going to start.

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    whoa, some of the hyperbole in this thread

    by the way, Allen was already on his way out as far as Afghanistan, this may just quicken the change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thangel View Post
    whoa, some of the hyperbole in this thread

    by the way, Allen was already on his way out as far as Afghanistan, this may just quicken the change.
    You think the military cares about that? All they care about is their leaders have been targeted by the FBI and embarrassed forever for things that they believe should be off limits.

    There is no stopping the payback at this point both out of revenge and for the CIA and the military to make sure the FBI doesn't f**k with them in that way ever again.

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