'The marquis. Well, you know, to be honest, he seems a little bit dodgy to me.'
'Mm,' she agreed. 'He's a little bit dodgy in the same way that rats are a little bit covered in fur."
oh yeah Kiss number 3. You go Supes and WW
In other words as JL liaison he tried to make sure the public thought best of the Justice League and vice versa. With the JLA he's actually going to be actively fighting on the front lines as a hero. Sounds like a no-brainer to me which actually can accomplish more in terms of helping people. Yes she was responsible for setting the motions of him reassigned, no he didn't want to be. None of that's debatable. But again if we're actually talking about his ability to help people now? In terms of doing his job and doing it well? That Diana hindered any of that is just a cop-out piling on in an attempt to make Diana look guilty of more than she actually is, rather as any sort of reasonable criticism of what she did to him. There's absolutely nothing within the pages to substantiate the idea that JL liaison was his ultimate goal in life and how he felt he could very best use his skills and serve the people of the world. To try and make it out otherwise is just hyperbole.
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No she didn't. You can say it till you're blue in the face but this has nothing to do with any so-called preferred method of helping people and you know it. Because from reading the book you know there is nothing, absolutely zilch, to textually suggest that when it comes to protecting and serving the people of his country, that this was the end all be all of his achievements and in his mind the absolute best way he could use his talents. NOTHING says that. The fact he just obviously didn't want to lose the position does not say those things. This whole helping people the way he wants to help people thing is just something you've made up on your own with no backing, simply to compound a sense of guilt on Diana's part. What's she going to be blamed for next? His decision to drink his troubles away before Ollie shows up?
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Irene Adler: “I would have you right here on this desk until you begged for mercy twice.”
Sherlock: “I’ve never begged for mercy in my life.”
The most absurd aspect of this whole conversation is the fact that Diana pushed Steve away -- got him reassigned from a job he wanted -- to protect him. But, if he is to head up a new team that puts its members in harm's way, then what was the point? Why is Diana being characterized as someone who is too lost in her own emotions to realize that Steve will always put his life on the line to protect people? Because reassigning Steve does not actually protect Steve, Diana's patronizing decision is revealed as even more ridiculous and problematic. I mean, Cheetah is still going around threatening to harm Steve. What exactly did Diana accomplish by unilaterally reassigning Steve besides preventing him from saving the world in the way he had chosen to save the world? I'll tell you: she was only saving herself from feeling guilty.
Ah, the beginnings of a straw man. Your hyperbolic hypotheticals are a ridiculous way of sidestepping.What's she going to be blamed for next? His decision to drink his troubles away before Ollie shows up?
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What happened is that he had a position and lost it. A culmination of uncomfortable personal feelings on both sides that led him to losing a position that he otherwise did well. And that sucks, he got the short end of the stick on that one. Pretty sure I never denied that. Everything else is just you making stuff up, exaggeratingly psycho-analyzing the course of events to degrees that are never once suggested on the written page, just to make the whole situation more malicious than it really was, making it out that she callously stole all meaning in the man's life in this determination you have to make every single aspect of this Superman and Wonder Woman storyline downright taboo. Its beyond transparent at this point.
And sure, I'm sidestepping. Nevermind the fact that my hypberbolic statement came after I explained the fallacy and bias of your statements. I can't sidestep something that I've already confronted. In any case I'm just exhausted with this. Not pretending to take some sort of high road or anything, I've willfully engaged in the back and forth and contributed plenty in making too big a deal of this, but I need a break.
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You really do have a talent for hyperbole. I didn't say Diana stole all the meaning from Steve's life. All I've been saying is that she prevented him from saving the world in the way he chose to save the world because of her own cowardice. Steve wanted to help people by being the League's liaison, and Diana prevented him from doing that work because of her own issues. Can Steve find purpose and meaning elsewhere? Sure, he can. But that doesn't change the fact that Diana did not care about Steve's agency at all when she chose to patronizingly push him out of her life. It's beyond transparent to me that you cannot deal with any criticism of DC's new power couple.Everything else is just you making stuff up, exaggeratingly psycho-analyzing the course of events to degrees that are never once suggested on the written page, just to make the whole situation more malicious than it really was, making it out that she callously stole all meaning in the man's life in this determination you have to make every single aspect of this Superman and Wonder Woman storyline downright taboo. Its beyond transparent at this point.
You confronted nothing. You continue to refuse to acknowledge it was problematic for Diana to end Steve's tenure as the League's liaison -- a job he wanted to do and was doing well -- because of her own insecurities. Steve wanted to save the world by protecting the League from government control and public fear mongering. It wasn't always an easy job, but he still wanted to do it because he believed in the Justice League and its mission. He also cared for Diana. She cared for him, too. But Diana's idea of caring for Steve meant deciding by herself that he couldn't do his job anymore because she couldn't handle it. That's not okay. It's also nothing close to defending Steve for drinking away his troubles.And sure, I'm sidestepping. Nevermind the fact that my hypberbolic statement came after I explained the fallacy and bias of your statements. I can't sidestep something that I've already confronted.
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