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    From National Review:

    Comparing the numbers of today with those of 2004 is instructive. While Romney lost households making between $30,000 and $49,999 by 15 points, George W. Bush lost them by only 1 point in 2004. Obama won voters from households making under $100,000 by ten points in 2012; Kerry won them by 1 point in 2004. In most of the battleground states, Kerry eked out a narrow margin of victory among those households making between $30,000 and $49,999; by 2008, Obama was scoring blowouts in that demographic. For example, Bush won it by three points in Pennsylvania in 2004, but Obama won it by 17 points in 2008 and 23 points in 2012. If Romney had pulled even somewhat near Bush's 2004 performance among voters making under $50,000, he would be president-elect at this moment.

    Granted, inflation means that $30,000 was worth more in 2004 than it is today, and therefore this category represents a poorer demographic now, but the changes in voting patterns are still striking. The 20-point sea change in Pennsylvania working-class support between 2004 and 2008 cannot simply be chalked up to inflation or to a change in ethnic composition. Nor can Romney's poor performance with the working class be attributed entirely to the president's Bain attacks: The biggest Republican drop among the working class occurred in many states between 2004 and 2008.

    The Republican shortfall with the working class in 2012 was due not simply to the nominee's personal background but to wider issues with Republican policies. In the wake of a decade of lost economic ground and the near-meltdown of 2008, many non-affluent voters seem to have a deep distrust of the ability of Republican policies to work for them. Romney's poor showing among this demographic underlines the fact that Republicans have not yet found an antidote to this distrust. Further tax cuts will not counter it, nor will promises to end Obamacare. As Ross Douthat suggested the other day, the concerns of average Americans are not the same today as they were in 1979, so Republican policies will have to change with them. By the end of the campaign, Governor Romney was beginning to tout a more forward-looking economic message, one that emphasized industrial renewal, energy development, and middle-class restoration. It was this message that made the election as close as it became on November 6.

    Moving economic discussions beyond a fetishization of tax cuts need not be a surrender to the Left. There are, after all, authentically conservative responses to financial consolidation, deindustrialization, escalating health-care costs, soaring energy prices, and middle-class decline. It seems clear that, if Republicans cannot craft a message and a policy platform that speak to the needs of many in the middle and working classes, their ability to form a national governing coalition will remain in doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Algren View Post
    And if it's true, in what world is third of your income going to basic health needs a good thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusmaac View Post
    From National Review:
    "Granted, inflation means that $30,000 was worth more in 2004 than it is today, and therefore this category represents a poorer demographic now"
    For a lot of us it's the same exact demographic. I started my job in 2006 and I'm making two dollars an hour more today. Doesn't exactly throw me into a new tax bracket I don't think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusmaac View Post
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    You've been fond of quoting National Review without comment recently.

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    that sounds like something an (ex) girlfriend would say.

    I think someone asked about voter turnout.
    I don't know if the source (National Review) is right or left.
    Some places are sneaky.

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    It is this weird moment where I agree with the right wingers. Can't abide
    most of the right wing hate, blame, reinterpretations, spew.. , but when they
    say I want more socialist programs.. I do. I think USA would benefit
    and be happier.

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    National Review isn't that sneaky about it. They've fired two guys (David Frum and Christopher Buckley) because they weren't properly laudatory of the Republican Party.

    And as a rule, I don't think a lot of posts that the original poster thinks so little of that they aren't worth a thought.

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    it'd be funnier, if he had defended himself by saying, "some of my best friends are black people."
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    Given The National Review's reputation, I don't think that some of their recent articles need comment. When the bleeding Review starts to relinquish the mindless Republican talking points re the economy and espouses moderation, you know you're experiencing a major shift in thinking.

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    Simply put- Obama didn't do anything bad enough to lose, and the Republicans didn't vet anyone charismatic enough to take the White House or put up a strong enough argument to convince people they'd do a better job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Soapdish View Post
    National Review isn't that sneaky about it. They've fired two guys (David Frum and Christopher Buckley) because they weren't properly laudatory of the Republican Party.
    then they were forced to fire two well known white supremacists/racists after they got public heat for publishing their bigoted rants.

    when Frum talks about an editor and owner gleefully mentioning fleecing it's consumers while making them stupid (bad paraphrasing on my part), he was referring to NRO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Soapdish View Post
    You've been fond of quoting National Review without comment recently.
    The quotes speak for themselves. It would be redundant to say "I agree with this".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo View Post
    it'd be funnier, if he had defended himself by saying, "some of my best friends are black people."
    Close. Today he is saying, "I Play Basketball Every Sunday With a Black Guy."

    Perhaps he also eats fried chicken and watermelon with a black person on Thursday nights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shellhead View Post
    Close. Today he is saying, "I Play Basketball Every Sunday With a Black Guy."

    Perhaps he also eats fried chicken and watermelon with a black person on Thursday nights.
    And people wonder why 96% of the black vote went to the Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winslow View Post
    And people wonder why 96% of the black vote went to the Democrats.
    It was only 93% this year. It was 95% (or maybe 96% back in 2008). And I think that Gore picked up 92% of the black vote. (Kerry only got 88%.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Soapdish View Post
    (Kerry only got 88%.)
    which is why i have a sneaking suspension that some voted for bush the second time.
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