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I just think the whole thing is absolutely stupid and I'm sick of Snyder's Batman being such a naive prick. (In regards to Joker knowing his identity, that is. Bruce being mildly emotional about Alfred's kidnapping isn't completely unrealistic.)
Last edited by tiptupjr94; 11-16-2012 at 12:19 PM.
In his monologue he didn't talk about Alfred, he pretty much dismissed Batman about it. He also, as mentioned before, didn't call Nightwing anything other than Nightwing (yes, yes, he mentioned he was a former Robin ).
He doesn't care about Alfred's relationship to Bruce, all he wanted to underline was that this was 'personal' but still between him and the Bat. The superfluous trappings need to be shed, yes, and this includes the wider family. Joker wants Batman back in Gotham proper, so cutting him off from the rest of the world (an extraneous realm not worthy of the Kingship of the Bat) is part of the various plays he's employing.
Boy has this thread become tedious with everyone banging thier head against a wall....geez.
"Calm down, call Batman." - Greg Capullo
Basically here we go again with:
- Batman in denial
- Batman Stubborn and careless
- Shocking secret hinted and probably revealed at the end of the arc
Meh.. boring... same structure that the Owls arc had...
PD: Add : - Numerous threats through-out Gotham, and participation of the whole Bat-Family.
Characters come and go, revamped and revisited. But as long as you enjoyed them, remember them and continue to appreciate them, then that character, your hero or heroine, will always exist.
-We all have our ideas of who Batman is. It shouldn't change from story to story, when writen by the same writer.
-Shocking secret hinted and revealed at the end of the arc? If you have a problem with that, I don't think Batman comics are for you. Any of them.
-I am not a fan of the crossovers either.
The structure of the story really isn't like the Court Arc, in any way that you suggest, outside of connections that most superhero comics have.
But again, it's Alfred, so it's understandable the reaction would be different. As I said, though, it's just not my preference. Stubborn, paranoid (someone might be listening!) Batman is one of the reasons I really disliked Waid's Tower of Babel, as well.
It has everything to do with it. But I think we're getting these extreme reactions from Bruce and Gordon, which go beyond the reactions these characters have had in similar circumstances in the past, because this time "The Joker is more dangerous than ever before"; and therefore everyone has to act twice as afraid and the bodycount has to be ten times as high, etc.And nobody thinks that maybe Joker's return has anything to do with the way Batman is acting? Has everyone here forgotten what happened to Batman after Joker killed Jason Todd years ago? Joker's always had a way of pushing Batman's buttons and getting under his archenemy's skin. He's done so on numerous occasions before so it's not like Batman's reaction here is so out in left field as to be impossible.
Meanwhile, as a reader, The Joker doesn't really act any crazier than he has in other stories. That's why it doesn't quite work for me.