PREVIEW: Snyder & Capullo's "Batman" #14

[adkal]

How about real world plus Court of Owls and Talons terms? Make sense? I'll just stop before I confuse even myself, cause I'm getting close...

How about:

In order to dissuade any of the other financial collaborators from taking up the standard held by Bruce Wayne, the Court decided to make an example of Wayne to go alongside the whispered warnings it had previously been spreading.

The other targets could be seen as 'people aware of risk to their person in light of their station' (Mayor, Judge, Commissioner of Police, etc), but to bombard Bruce Wayne with a 'swarm of locusts' would give the desired message to any of the believers in Wayne's cause.

[dubbauw]

How about:

In order to dissuade any of the other financial collaborators from taking up the standard held by Bruce Wayne, the Court decided to make an example of Wayne to go alongside the whispered warnings it had previously been spreading.

The other targets could be seen as 'people aware of risk to their person in light of their station' (Mayor, Judge, Commissioner of Police, etc), but to bombard Bruce Wayne with a 'swarm of locusts' would give the desired message to any of the believers in Wayne's cause.

I like it. Simple, no extraneous metaphors. Thanks for the translation My whole point is: the writing makes perfect sense

[adkal]

Amusing...considering the fact I'm one of those who 'tore away' at the arc

For Snyder to have better conveyed the 'why' regarding the bombardment of Wayne Manor, I think a scene with (at least) one of the other financiers expressing the concerns March did in his hospital bed would have worked a treat.


(Happy to help, though )

[ispacehead]

Then, in the Riddler arc, we'll find that Bruce's maternal grandmother influenced Bruce behind the scenes and the majority of the teachers he sought out were actually handpicked by her. It will be revealed that her daughter (Martha) had begun to win her over in her bid to change Gotham for the better and, when the Court began to take steps to eliminate the Waynes, she tried to protect them (ultimately failing to do so).

You're killing me.

You really have the new 52 all sewn up.

So, I've heard Two Face is supposed to make an appearance in the Riddler arc too.

Will he be at Ninja school with Bruce, or will we find out that his father had a long standing grudge against the Wayne's and might be (gasp!) responsible for their murder?

[nosocialize100]

Why would Batman have cameras all around his property? He's not some recluse who obsessed with keeping people out.
Alfred almost always just goes to the door and greets everyone.
No reason for it to be any different now

It seems logical he'd have something out there for protection. They live so far out from the city it'd make sense to have something considering some nutso might show up being so far away from police.

Then again...Joker did break into the police department without raising any bells. Maybe he did something to sneak in and there was surveillance.

[Kiryu]

Does anyone know any super wealthy people that don't have cameras on their property? One dude from a radio show I listen too is very wealthy and has a security camera app for his iphone so he can monitor his property from work!

Either way though, I don't see the need for complaints in that respect. Joker is wearing a maintenance jumpsuit, obviously he disabled any kind security features right under everyone's nose.

[nosocialize100]

Does anyone know any super wealthy people that don't have cameras on their property? One dude from a radio show I listen too is very wealthy and has a security camera app for his iphone so he can monitor his property from work!

Either way though, I don't see the need for complaints in that respect. Joker is wearing a maintenance jumpsuit, obviously he disabled any kind security features right under everyone's nose.

DUUUDE. I just said that!

Also we have to remember this is a comic book.

[dubbauw]

Does anyone know any super wealthy people that don't have cameras on their property? One dude from a radio show I listen too is very wealthy and has a security camera app for his iphone so he can monitor his property from work!

Either way though, I don't see the need for complaints in that respect. Joker is wearing a maintenance jumpsuit, obviously he disabled any kind security features right under everyone's nose.

He stole some disabling gun/device from the police that took out the whole station's power and backup generator, presumably security systems as well.

[nosocialize100]

He stole some disabling gun/device from the police that took out the whole station's power and backup generator, presumably security systems as well.

There's the answer.

[Kiryu]

DUUUDE. I just said that!

Also we have to remember this is a comic book.

Your post must have went as mine was being typed.

Also, I don't think "this is a comic book" is really a cool or thoughtful defense or excuse. I read tons of comic books that have internal logic and don't have tons of nonsense to facilitate the story that needs to be hand waved away by "this is just a comic, who cares if its nonsense". That's not to say that I think that's the case in this instance at all, but truthfully my expectations on storytelling rise along with the cost of comics.

[nosocialize100]

Your post must have went as mine was being typed.

Also, I don't think "this is a comic book" is really a cool or thoughtful defense or excuse. I read tons of comic books that have internal logic and don't have tons of nonsense to facilitate the story that needs to be hand waved away by "this is just a comic, who cares if its nonsense". That's not to say that I think that's the case in this instance at all, but truthfully my expectations on storytelling rise along with the cost of comics.

I equate comics to movies and there are certain types of films where you'll give them a pass for a plot hole or using a plot device that in another genre of film would be a cheat. I guess in that sense I see Batman as an action film that can cheat from time to time. Let's be real here, most comics writers don't concern themselves
with creating a banquet for the mind, and that's just fine since most comics are intended to be enjoyable snacks.

Then again, Snyder's Batman is a bit richer and more of a meatier experiences to be had.

[Conway]

Does anyone know any super wealthy people that don't have cameras on their property? One dude from a radio show I listen too is very wealthy and has a security camera app for his iphone so he can monitor his property from work!

Either way though, I don't see the need for complaints in that respect. Joker is wearing a maintenance jumpsuit, obviously he disabled any kind security features right under everyone's nose.

That and he wasn't at the front door. Alfred found the kitten in a hallway and Joker walked up. It isn't like he just answered a doorbell without checking the peephole.

Anyway it was just one of any number of idiotic scenes in this one awful issue. The more I read it the worse the main title gets. I was way too nice in my first assessment the it "wasn't bad". Cap's artwork is the only thing that is good about any of it.

[DrSimonHurt]

spoiler? I guess?


Read the new issue a few minutes ago. The big 'reveal' is stuff everyone already knew. I wonder if Snyder hasn't actually read RIP after all. The best part is just dialogue between Nightwing and Batman. I'm not liking this Joker that spells out every single reason for everything he is doing. The book sits here and tells us how he's impossible to predict, while he's standing there describing his entire reason for existing and his overall plan in a dozen word balloons.

[adkal]

You're killing me.

No, no, you have to live to see all this come to fruition!!

So, I've heard Two Face is supposed to make an appearance in the Riddler arc too.

Will he be at Ninja school with Bruce, or will we find out that his father had a long standing grudge against the Wayne's and might be (gasp!) responsible for their murder?

As far as Harvey is aware, he first met Bruce in Gotham - they went to school together, albeit briefly. Harvey later met Bruce in Cambridge, when Harvey was there as an exchange student. However, Harvey doesn't remember any of that because, at the time, the strains of law school, coupled with some family problems, had split his personality into at least 3.

When the Riddler reveals to Harvey that he and Bruce knew each other in Cambridge, Harvey's darker side becomes convinced that Bruce is the reason everything went wrong - when they were in school, Bruce was 'smarter'; when they met in Cambridge, Bruce was the one the girls wanted whereas Harvey and his 'American accent' merely made him 'second best' at most; and when they met when he was Assistant DA and working quietly with The Batman, Bruce took the limelight again and, although Harvey became DA, it was shortlived because the one day Bruce decided not to attend the trial of Maroni, Harvey (inadvertently) became the target (Maroni wanted in on Bruce's import business but the guy who threw the acid threw it at the wrong person (it's revealed that Harvey (and the media) were told Harvey was the target in order to protect Wayne (thanks to his GM) from any repeat attempts, so Maroni shouldered the blame (and was later killed).

The revelation that Wayne was responsible for so much brings 'Harvey' and 'Dent' together as their third persona seeks to put right what once went wrong and hoping his next leap will...

Sorry...sidetracked.

Anyway, for a short while, Harvey is whole. This plot point will be left to one side as the arc wraps up.

[adkal]

He stole some disabling gun/device from the police that took out the whole station's power and backup generator, presumably security systems as well.

The backup generator was dealt with separately (bomb). He amped up the (stolen and unreported police-owned) EMP device so it would take out the whole building (normally 'all' it can do it take out the electrics of a couple of cars).

He's had a year to plan this, don't forget