Anyone else miss aspects of the old Cyclops? *Spoilers for Consequences 5*

[Drefan21]

He becoming a badly writen wolverine.

So there are two badly written Wolverines ?

[Ingonyama]

I wouldn't call him a badly-written Wolverine (we've got that already), but I feel he's 'progressed' too far for me to really connect with the character I used to love.

Yeah, I liked old Scott. He was a noble, honorable underdog, who wasn't even well-liked among the misfit crowd. He had to struggle and fight for acceptance, and he did it without compromising who he was and what he cared about. He made horrible mistakes in his personal life, but that was because he sacrificed everything on the altar of 'responsibility' Silver Age Marvel loved to tout (see also: Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Captain America)

Whedon wrote by far my favorite Cyclops. He changed him into a person who was a little more comfortable bearing the weight of the world, lightened him up, and made him much easier to relate to (not to mention proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he and Emma were just as real in their own way as he and Jean).

But somewhere after the Decimation, something broke in Scott. Everything I liked about the character seemed to just fly out the window.

People say he had to "make the hard choices", but he's made hard choices before without letting them break him.

I know a lot of people like this new direction, and I'm in the minority, but I still don't recognize him. AvX hasn't helped, though I chalk that up more to bad writing and editorial mandate that he be the bad guy.

[godzilla2099]

I wouldn't call him a badly-written Wolverine (we've got that already), but I feel he's 'progressed' too far for me to really connect with the character I used to love.

Yeah, I liked old Scott. He was a noble, honorable underdog, who wasn't even well-liked among the misfit crowd. He had to struggle and fight for acceptance, and he did it without compromising who he was and what he cared about. He made horrible mistakes in his personal life, but that was because he sacrificed everything on the altar of 'responsibility' Silver Age Marvel loved to tout (see also: Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Captain America)

Whedon wrote by far my favorite Cyclops. He changed him into a person who was a little more comfortable bearing the weight of the world, lightened him up, and made him much easier to relate to (not to mention proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he and Emma were just as real in their own way as he and Jean).

But somewhere after the Decimation, something broke in Scott. Everything I liked about the character seemed to just fly out the window.

People say he had to "make the hard choices", but he's made hard choices before without letting them break him.

I know a lot of people like this new direction, and I'm in the minority, but I still don't recognize him. AvX hasn't helped, though I chalk that up more to bad writing and editorial mandate that he be the bad guy.

Although I like Scott's new direction you hit some excellent points.

Whedon wrote the best Cyclops by far. I always found trouble explaining my reasons why but you did that naturally.
With Whedon, his Cyclops had both the boyscout and some revolutionary elements that worked well in both ways.
His Scott had his struggles but he had more confidence

If I had to pick one other writer that it would be Yost. His Cyclops also felt like a natural leader too.

[DurararaFTW]

I wouldn't call him a badly-written Wolverine (we've got that already), but I feel he's 'progressed' too far for me to really connect with the character I used to love.

Yeah, I liked old Scott. He was a noble, honorable underdog, who wasn't even well-liked among the misfit crowd. He had to struggle and fight for acceptance, and he did it without compromising who he was and what he cared about. He made horrible mistakes in his personal life, but that was because he sacrificed everything on the altar of 'responsibility' Silver Age Marvel loved to tout (see also: Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Captain America)

Whedon wrote by far my favorite Cyclops. He changed him into a person who was a little more comfortable bearing the weight of the world, lightened him up, and made him much easier to relate to (not to mention proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he and Emma were just as real in their own way as he and Jean).

But somewhere after the Decimation, something broke in Scott. Everything I liked about the character seemed to just fly out the window.

People say he had to "make the hard choices", but he's made hard choices before without letting them break him.

I know a lot of people like this new direction, and I'm in the minority, but I still don't recognize him. AvX hasn't helped, though I chalk that up more to bad writing and editorial mandate that he be the bad guy.

Even Xavier admitted the dream was dead in Messiah Complex.

[ExodusCloak]

The dream was dead in Morrisons X-Men.

[Whip Whirlwind]

I definitely agree that personality wise Whedon's cyclops was the best. He was still an uptight square, but it was in an endearing way and it wasn't over the top.

My issue is that they could easily take Cyclops in a direction where he can still be that revolutionary figure (which I think is interesting) but still not be all grimdark personality wise. Most of his positions / ideals post AvX aren't really that "bad" , and given the current state of mutants the weight on his shoulders should be lessened, not feel like its more than ever.

It's just certain actions that take him too far. Like I was really surprised when Cyclops let an entire prison free just to punish one man. It was even established that the prison had a fair share of anti mutant inmates. The idea of Scott just being like "Oh well the avengers will round them up" is ridiculous to me.

The scott I know wouldn't have done that because he would have considered the very real possibility of these criminals doing whatever it takes to escape, up to and including murdering someone who won't give up their car, for example.

I'm still on the fence about the X carving and sending prisoners to limbo though.

[jollygoldfish]

http://marvel.com/news/story/19683/m..._uncanny_x-men

Brian Michael Bendis on Scemma: "The romance is done. They are not together anymore romantically. It's pretty hard to come back from what they went through in Avengers Vs. X-Men. Things were said, powers were stolen, and as we will discover in the very first issues of UNCANNY X-MEN, some things happen between them that cannot be taken back. And because they are Scott and Emma, this breakup is going to take a while. And it's not going to be pretty, but fun to write."

I predict that the Wolverinization of Scott Summers will extend to his love life as well. He's going to have a harem of women while he angsts about finding true love again and if he's even worthy of it anymore.

EDIT: I will LOLOLOL if continued angst over Jean is part of this.

[imperial90]

It's just certain actions that take him too far. Like I was really surprised when Cyclops let an entire prison free just to punish one man. It was even established that the prison had a fair share of anti mutant inmates. The idea of Scott just being like "Oh well the avengers will round them up" is ridiculous to me.

It wasn't done to punish one man, the Warden is a bureaucrat not the owner of the prison, Scott did it to make the investors (however many of them there are) bleed, and let them know he's going to continue to bleed them if they keep trying to profit of mutant suffering. The Warden was just going to be his messenger to them.

[refrax5]

I've always liked Cyclops, even if he was a total stiff. I really do like the direction they've taken him in lately---well, frankly, I like how much he's been developing and evolving since he was possessed by Apocalypse like a decade or so ago----he's really grown into a very interesting character.

Sometimes I miss the more idealistic, good guy Cyclops. If I ever read an old issue of Ultimate X-Men or watch the films, I remember that he can be a "boy scout" and still be likable and cool. So there are times I miss the "old Cyclops" and I think he will, eventually, have a "redemption" storyarc and go back to his old self (at least somewhat). It's comics. This stuff is cyclical. I'm just enjoying the story at the moment.

Also, in the plus column, we get to have both now. Idealistic young Cyke in All-New and badass revolutionary Cyke in Uncanny.