AvX Consequences #5 Spoilers

[jackolover]

So let me ask. *When the Black Panthers where targeting innocent white people in their quest to liberate themselves from several centuries of oppression, do you just consider that acceptable collateral damage. *Or say the Jews started just indiscriminately bombing countries that have historically hated them? *Where does it end? *See it is easy to make the argument you are making when we are talking about fictional people and fictional deaths but a lot harder when talking about it in the real world.

I agree. You can't compare real world situations with fictional, so the similarity doesn't follow.

[jackolover]

Perhaps Mags would view it that way but that is precisely why he is a flawed character. *He is basically like a kid in the sandbox who because the black kid hit him first because he is Jewish thinks all black kids are evil and thus when he goes around beating the shit out of them and some of them end up hating Jewish people because of it well it doesn't matter because the black kids would always have ended up hating jews because that one black kid in the sandbox hit me first.*

It's a biased argument. *It basically says mutants hate humans because humans are racists but that humans hate mutants because humans are racists. *So basically no matter who the hater is it is always the human racists fault. *Ergo, mutants are ultimately good people driven to hatred by humans and humans are bad people driven to hatred because they are bad people.

I don't think it's the same as African Americans and Jewish People. It's more like humans and Skrulls. It's the suspicion that both sectors of humans and mutants can't get past. There are no Skrulls in the real world US society, so you can't make the comparison. Your example of racial and religious differences you've given doesn't work because these two sections are not at war with each other in America, are they?

[remydat]

I'm just wondering if the MU didn't have mutants in it's society, who would take their place? Because I think mutants hold a unique place in the MU, and not just a substrata like you make them out to be. If there were no mutants, nobody was going take the mutant hater section of the community and start killing, say, the Spanish speaking communities, are they? The simplification of just waving off mutants as just another sub section of humanity that people can't relate too, is far to narrow. Mutants are not just a super Spanish section of society, that everybody is afraid of. There are Super humans in the world too, and nobody is sending out Purifiers to attack that elephant in the room, are they?

That's easy other humans just like in real life. Spider-Man would have been thrown behind bars in the early days if he was discovered. The only reason Super Humans don't get targeted as much is because most of them have signed on to being subject to some government oversight. Those that don't are typically branded vigilantes and would be thrown behind bars if caught.

I agree. You can't compare real world situations with fictional, so the similarity doesn't follow.

Tell that to Stan Lee then because he certainly came up with the idea based on real world circumstances. This is a bit of a cop-out IMO, while the MU is not exactly like the real world, clearly the characters that inhabit it are designed to exhibit behaviour consistent with the real world otherwise the real world people who buy comics wouldn't be able to relate.

I don't think it's the same as African Americans and Jewish People. It's more like humans and Skrulls. It's the suspicion that both sectors of humans and mutants can't get past. There are no Skrulls in the real world US society, so you can't make the comparison. Your example of racial and religious differences you've given doesn't work because these two sections are not at war with each other in America, are they?

Have you studied history at all? More people have died because of race and/or religion than any other man made reason. I specifically used historical exampes in which different racial drops were at war with each other. Or do you think the holocaust, slavery and segregation was not influenced by race? Or the conquest of America from those savages (the term used by the Pope who wrote a Papal Bull supporting that conquest) that lived there before the Europeans "discovered" it? The point is this is an all too common and recurring theme in human history which is why Stan Lee decided to use it as the basis of his story.

[Omega Alpha]

What? You're telling me that if a terrorist told the US president to murder the citizens Rhode Island to stop an attack on the mainland, he would agree and nuke the place?

Specially if those citizens were risking their lives to save the people of the US.