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    Nope, he didn't. Which is why he did the two TV reunion films. He praised that show for having good values, for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    The original Doctor Who overstayed it's welcome after Peter Davison left. Although Colin Baker and Sylvestor McCoy eras have some highlights, some of original WHO's worst is from it's last few seasons. The shift in tone from the dramatic classic Caves Of Androzani (Davison's last) to the incredibly stupid Twin Dillema is quite the contrast. They tried to salvage things the next season a bit and bringing back many of the classic bad guys (as well as former Doctor Patrick Troughton), but it didn't work out....shame really, because Colin Baker at least has shown he can be a decent Doctor if given the right material (in the audio dramas).

    sorry man

    sly and sophie had the best chemistry of any doctor/companion duo.

    I heavily disagree with this.

    as for colin baker...after hearing his version of the modern major general, he deserves better with both skill and the fact that his boss boinking his ex-wife and trying to torpedo the show.

    doctor who didn't overstay it's welcome, it was murdered.

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    I got one

    Alien nation. 8-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by stelok View Post
    Yes, i agree Sliders jumped the shark and overstayed their welcome.

    But I don't think Highlander went downhill.
    The last season of Highlander was pretty bad. I don't know that I'd say that means it overstayed its welcome though. I just wish it had been better. Even at that point I wasn't completely ready to give it up. And I liked Highlander: Raven, too.

    I definitely agree about Doctor Who. I couldn't stand Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy (though McCoy was an improvement, but I didn't like Mel or Ace).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    Angus T Jones renounces Two and Half Men, calls it "filth"

    http://gawker.com/5963315/two-and-a-...is-filthy-show

    looks like he found Jeebus
    "Oh boo-hoo...the show that kept food on my table for the past seven years is ungodly and I renounce it!" Bet that little jerk didn't renounce all the money in his bank account that that 'filthy' show made for him. The only reason he's saying all this is because he can see the handwritting on the wall--that show is dead in the water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackphoenix View Post
    "Oh boo-hoo...the show that kept food on my table for the past seven years is ungodly and I renounce it!" Bet that little jerk didn't renounce all the money in his bank account that that 'filthy' show made for him. The only reason he's saying all this is because he can see the handwritting on the wall--that show is dead in the water.
    I don't think that's a fair assessment. He's been on the show since he was a kid, and we have no idea whether it's what he really wanted or not.

    And I do think it's fair to criticize where the show went with his character. When the show kicked off, Charlie was clearly a sleaze and Alan was a Charlie Brown character trying to do the right thing but never coming out better for it. The kid provided some balance, being sweet and innocent. But as things moved along, you get to the point where Alan is just as bad as Charlie in his own way, being a pathetic leech, and the kid is doing drugs and having threesomes. The show became a cynical cesspool with no redeeming human element.

    It's not hard to see why Angus Jones would suddenly feel uncomfortable and move to opposite extremes (i.e. "TV is bad!")
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackphoenix View Post
    "Oh boo-hoo...the show that kept food on my table for the past seven years is ungodly and I renounce it!" Bet that little jerk didn't renounce all the money in his bank account that that 'filthy' show made for him. The only reason he's saying all this is because he can see the handwritting on the wall--that show is dead in the water.
    probably not...I akin it to porn stars who leave the industry and then do nothing but bad mouth it while tooling around in the brand new BWM it afforded them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    probably not...I akin it to porn stars who leave the industry and then do nothing but bad mouth it while tooling around in the brand new BWM it afforded them
    I think that's a bit different, as you have to be an adult to enter that industry in the first place.

    That stretch from childhood to adolescence to adulthood is confusing enough as is. I can only imagine what it's like growing up on a show like Two and Half Men with Charlie Sheen as a role model.

    It's also worth noting that the show pulled off something of a bait-and-switch with the kid's characterization. He went from the innocent kid caught between the sleazy, successful uncle and the moral father who can't win for losing to a dumbass, pot-smoking womanizer.

    It's not surprising that Jones has now turned up at the opposite end of the spectrum. A lot of childhood stars feel like they've lost their life to stardom, much less ones that play assholes during their formative years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    It's also worth noting that the show pulled off something of a bait-and-switch with the kid's characterization. He went from the innocent kid caught between the sleazy, successful uncle and the moral father who can't win for losing to a dumbass, pot-smoking womanizer.
    Sounds an awful lot like what happens to a lot of kids, honestly.

    The kid should shut his mouth and just wrap up this season and leave the show quietly. Publicly badmouthing his own work isn't going to do him any favors in the future and the timing of him doing this isn't doing him any favors either. Also, calling your job "devils work" and then turning around and taking a paycheck from it isn't going to win you any fans in the industry either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SephirothDZX View Post
    Sounds an awful lot like what happens to a lot of kids, honestly.

    The kid should shut his mouth and just wrap up this season and leave the show quietly. Publicly badmouthing his own work isn't going to do him any favors in the future and the timing of him doing this isn't doing him any favors either. Also, calling your job "devils work" and then turning around and taking a paycheck from it isn't going to win you any fans in the industry either.
    You're being too hard on the kid. Maybe he needs to vent about his experiences. He came onto the show when he was what, eight? Which means the biggest influences in his life have all been people who stood to gain something from his work on the show. It's not the best place to be when you want an honest answer about whether you should go forward with something you're not comfortable with.

    Clearly he's still finding himself. I wish him well on the that journey and hope he finds peace with where he's been and where he's going.

    And I'm not sure what you mean about 'what happens to a lot of kids.' I think the peer pressure is a bit more intense when your career path is being laid out at the tender age of eight. We're not talking about kids smoking in the boys' room here. This is adults pressuring him because they have a financial stake in his decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SephirothDZX View Post
    The kid should shut his mouth and just wrap up this season and leave the show quietly.
    Indeed. Now he just sound as an ungrateful bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addams View Post
    Indeed. Now he just sound as an ungrateful bitch.
    I'd be pretty ungrateful if I'd been viewed as a dollar sign by my parents, peers and friends since I was a kid.

    This is one of those things where none of us have walked a mile in his shoes, and I think it's safe to say that Two and a Half Men isn't the best working environment for a kid to grow up in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton;16216421[B
    ]I'd be pretty ungrateful if I'd been viewed as a dollar sign by my parents, peers and friends since I was a kid. [/B]

    This is one of those things where none of us have walked a mile in his shoes, and I think it's safe to say that Two and a Half Men isn't the best working environment for a kid to grow up in.
    without knowing his family that's as big as an assumption as assuming he's ungrateful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idlewildered View Post
    without knowing his family that's as big as an assumption as assuming he's ungrateful.
    Fair enough. I never said him being ungrateful was an assumption though. I think it's clear that he's not very grateful. The real question is whether he should be, and I lean toward 'no.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    I'd be pretty ungrateful if I'd been viewed as a dollar sign by my parents, peers and friends since I was a kid.

    This is one of those things where none of us have walked a mile in his shoes, and I think it's safe to say that Two and a Half Men isn't the best working environment for a kid to grow up in.
    good point, I remember watching a thing on VH1 about child stars and they talked to Miko Hughes, who was basically ripped off by his dad, so much to the point where he and his mom went into hiding for about a year to get away from him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    good point, I remember watching a thing on VH1 about child stars and they talked to Miko Hughes, who was basically ripped off by his dad, so much to the point where he and his mom went into hiding for about a year to get away from him
    there's legions of well adjusted ex child stars as well to be fair.

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