How come it's so easy to become an Avenger?

[Pat Thomas]

lol who did tony have to pull strings with? janet?

Hawkeye, Wanda and Pietro were all criminals. Jan is one of the founders.

[davew128]

If Rage and Deathcry can be Avengers, it makes no sense that Spider-man couldn't cut it.

But Rage WASN'T an Avenger. Once he had his background checked and they found out he was a kid, they told him to come back when he turns 18.

[davew128]

The man actually called himself 'Starfox' and you're surprised nobody takes him seriously?

Hey, it wasn't HIS idea. IIRC it was Jan's!

[klinton]

That's one thing I haven't liked about the Avengers in recent years. Simon was right in that it's shifted from a family to an organization. There are so many fringe members now, and suspicion in the ranks, that it feels less like a team and more like a showcase.

[mikekerrIII]

Isn't anyone with superpowers an avenger by default at age 18 as a result of the registration act? I never quite see the ramifications of civil war all these years later, but that was the impression i got.

Only mutants are registered now so the point is moot

[Whiterabbit]

Hawkeye, Wanda and Pietro were all criminals. Jan is one of the founders.

But we knew they weren't really that bad, even Magneto wasn't found guilty of the crimes he was charged with. Hawkeye was tricked into commiting a crime for Black Widow, which Iron Man knew. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were fighting for civil rights as mutants.

[tony ingram]

But we knew they weren't really that bad, even Magneto wasn't found guilty of the crimes he was charged with. Hawkeye was tricked into commiting a crime for Black Widow, which Iron Man knew. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were fighting for civil rights as mutants.

Magneto was very definitely guilty of the crimes he committed back then-the reason he was found not guilty in X-Men #200 was because the defense argued that none of those crimes could be attributed to him after he was de-aged by Alpha because he was effectively a different person, and that came much later. Wanda and Pietro weren't fighting for civil rights-like the rest of the Brotherhood, they were committing terrorist acts on the orders of a man who wanted to take over the world!

[XPac]

That's one thing I haven't liked about the Avengers in recent years. Simon was right in that it's shifted from a family to an organization. There are so many fringe members now, and suspicion in the ranks, that it feels less like a team and more like a showcase.

And I think that was sort of the nice thing about New Avengers.

While the adjectiveless team took on more of an organized government feel, I think New Avengers embraced more of a family vibe... moreso than any previous Avengers team IMO. That's definately something I'm going to miss now that Bendis is leaving the book, as Hickman seems to be going in another direction entirely with the New Avengers franchise.

[Whiterabbit]

Magneto was very definitely guilty of the crimes he committed back then-the reason he was found not guilty in X-Men #200 was because the defense argued that none of those crimes could be attributed to him after he was de-aged by Alpha because he was effectively a different person, and that came much later. Wanda and Pietro weren't fighting for civil rights-like the rest of the Brotherhood, they were committing terrorist acts on the orders of a man who wanted to take over the world!

Stan Lee said he never really viewed Magneto as that bad a guy, even the Beyonder classified his actions for his race as more heroic than vile. Magneto just wants humanity to show more respect towards mutants and be considered equals, not freaks or a plague that needs to be cured.

Magneto had a pretty rough life during WWII as a jew. Although, he did manage to find some peace and live a rather normal life after his liberation... at first. Then the KGB killed his daughter, his wife ran away, his government agency killed his girlfriend, etc. It's one giant tragic circle.

He looked out the window and realized that mutants were being treated unfairly by mankind, just as he was treated unfairly as a jew during the war. He strongly believes that mutants should take a stand and fight for their rights to be equal and free.

Listen, there is morally right and lawfully right. The Boston Tea Party thing? It was completely illegal... but ask any American? We did the right thing and helped free ourselves. What do you do if you catch a guy stealing a can of soup for his starving family? Just because you do something that's considered a "crime" doesn't always mean you're doing the wrong thing. Even Captain America was a criminal during Civil War.

[tony ingram]

Stan Lee said he never really viewed Magneto as that bad a guy, even the Beyonder classified his actions for his race as more heroic than vile. Magneto just wants humanity to show more respect towards mutants and be considered equals, not freaks or a plague that needs to be cured.

Magneto was a different person by the time he met the Beyonder. The Magneto who founded the Brotherhood was not the same man who stood with the X-Men on Battleworld, he'd changed a lot in the intervening years.

Magneto had a pretty rough life during WWII as a jew. Although, he did manage to find some peace and live a rather normal life after his liberation... at first. Then the KGB killed his daughter, his wife ran away, his government agency killed his girlfriend, etc. It's one giant tragic circle.

He looked out the window and realized that mutants were being treated unfairly by mankind, just as he was treated unfairly as a jew during the war. He strongly believes that mutants should take a stand and fight for their rights to be equal and free.

Listen, there is morally right and lawfully right. The Boston Tea Party thing? It was completely illegal... but ask any American? We did the right thing and helped free ourselves. What do you do if you catch a guy stealing a can of soup for his starving family? Just because you do something that's considered a "crime" doesn't always mean you're doing the wrong thing. Even Captain America was a criminal during Civil War.

There's a slight difference between stealing a can of soup and invading and conquering a small South American country or sinking a Russian submarine with all hands on board when it isn't actually a threat to you.

[mikeb]

But we knew they weren't really that bad, even Magneto wasn't found guilty of the crimes he was charged with. Hawkeye was tricked into commiting a crime for Black Widow, which Iron Man knew. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were fighting for civil rights as mutants.

In the 1987 "Avengers vs X-Men" mini,Magneto rigged the trial using mind control tech in his helmet because he felt the judges were bios.Wanda and Pietro were working off a debt to Magneto because he saved their lives from a mob who wanted to kill them.

[The Black Guardian]

Oh, come on. The man actually called himself 'Starfox' and you're surprised nobody takes him seriously? He also has one of the most irritating personalities in comics. If he'd been there when the Masters of Evil attacked Avengers Mansion, they wouldn't have beaten up Jarvis. Because Jarvis would have been busy holding Starfox down for them to hit.

As far as code/nicknames go:

Starfox >>>>>>>>>>> Two-Gun Kid.

And they are both better than Ant-Man.

And his personality is awesome!

[Whiterabbit]

Magneto was a different person by the time he met the Beyonder. The Magneto who founded the Brotherhood was not the same man who stood with the X-Men on Battleworld, he'd changed a lot in the intervening years.There's a slight difference between stealing a can of soup and invading and conquering a small South American country or sinking a Russian submarine with all hands on board when it isn't actually a threat to you.

Some people would go to great lengths to get their message across that they want freedom or to be left alone.

In the 1987 "Avengers vs X-Men" mini,Magneto rigged the trial using mind control tech in his helmet because he felt the judges were bios.Wanda and Pietro were working off a debt to Magneto because he saved their lives from a mob who wanted to kill them.

Oh, you're right. I mixed up the reasons why they joined the Brotherhood.

As far as code/nicknames go:

Starfox >>>>>>>>>>> Two-Gun Kid.

And they are both better than Ant-Man.

And his personality is awesome!

How about Giant Man, Goliath, or Yellowjacket?

[Whiterabbit]

double post

[Blind pugh]

Why wouldn't I want to call in the guy who can fly and is superstrong, who is the son of Mentor, ruler of a race of Eternals on Titan, whose technology is light-years ahead of Mr. futurist's and who is the bother of freaking Thanos?
I'd call him ahead of Echo, Silver Claw, Two-Gun Kid and maybe even of freaking Luke Cage (what can he do, that half a dozen of other Avengers can't do better?), not to mention many others. Potentially, Eros can be a great character. Simply nobody has ever taken the time to develop him into such. "Cosmic pervert" is more fun.

Peace

All too rare to find someone who can recognise Starfox's potential. I'd love to see him get another Avengers run where he can be given the opportunity to really shine.