It's probably 2 years away from the point where you can buy it, so no rush. I'll make a huge stink about it when the time comes, though.
I hope this example serves you well. It's the best I can do in describing the differences in the two mediums of literature. The differences are huge. If you like I can explain further. There are lot of scenes that can be presented in a variety of clever little ways in novel literature. And viceversa for comicbook writing.
Exactly. This has been my main point all along.they both require a lot of understanding of literary techniques that are unique to each medium.
This is why I (being bias here) would prefer to read a novel from a novelist, rather than someone who usually writes comicbooks. They're both very different from each other. Like you said, with you're examples of playing a guitar to a piano...
Again, you're assuming that I'm trying to downplay the comicbook medium, when in actual fact I've already said that it requires different techniques to writing novels in how they present each scene. In a novel, you present each scene, constantly having to figure out how much detail is needed to describe certain aspects and more importantly, what order to explain them in. It's a constant battle of re-ordering paragraphs, chopping details down and figuring out how to open each depiction or what to open with. Like briancwood said, when writing a novel, it's often about writing with less description. This is a skill in itself that's very different to comicbook writing.Read something like Watchmen or Daytripper and tell me those writers don't know how to get inside emotions and characters. There's a lot more to a comic character's emotions than just what the artist draws. I could read just the script for Daytripper and find myself on the verge of tears every time. If it was so easy to make a character come to life, there wouldn't be so many comics out there with flat, one-dimensional characters.
You make these kinds of comparisons a lot. But they don't really help either of us.As for trying it - I couldn't write either, so that suggestion really doesn't mean anything to me. But as a reader, I can tell that both take an equal amount of effort. It's like becoming a master guitar player or pianist. To say one is easier than the other just isn't true; they share some sets of skills, but they both require things that are completely unique.
I know you've never even attempted to write either comic or novel. That much is obvious. But I'm still surprised you don't at least recognise their massively different sets of literary requirments. I don't see why you have to be in such disagreement when you haven't even attempted yo write either medium. I hold comicbook writing in a very high regard, when it's done well. It's different in how it presents it's scenes, and it's unique in that way. For that, I applaud how it is able to it's present scenes. I mentioned this in my first post on this thread. I think you may have missed it because you seem to think I'm hating on comicbook literature. Which I most certainly am not. I'd prefer it if you left your assumptions out of this. Thanks.
@Plawsky - Yeah I've read Watchmen. It's a good book. Ever read a novel called Dune by Frank Herbert? I struggle to see how that could be translated into a comicbook. I seriously doubt it could be done successfully. If you've read it, do you disagree with what I'm saying? Converting Dune from a novel into a comic seems impossible to me. The mediums are just way too different from eachother.
EDIT - I can only imagine how rewarding it must be for you, with your professional comicbook writing talents, and now writing a novel. I find that there's always a wonderful discovery to be had with writing a novel and you even surprise yourself. I have never completed writing a novel, but I have been able to accumilate a repertoire of techniques that I feel I've come up with on my own, and I guess that may be the case for most people who try writing novels too. I love getting to the point where the characters you've created start dictating the events of the story for you, letting go and letting them shape the setting. But then again I expect that's the same with comicbook writing too when you set up your characters and scripts. Going onto various websites to aquire literary techniques for a novel is good, but you learn so much better after applying them and seeing them take effect. After attempting to write fiction, I wonder at the amount of stuff I don't know yet, in comparison to what I've discovered already.
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I don't disagree with you, and I've said as much. My issue with your statements is that you're implying that one is easier than the other. I'm not assuming anything about you, I'm going by what you're saying. I don't know how you can read the bolded examples and think anything eThis is why I (being bias here) would prefer to read a novel from a novelist, rather than someone who usually writes comicbooks. They're both very different from each other. Like you said, with you're examples of playing a guitar to a piano...
But writing a novel is in fact a lot more challenging than writing a comicbook.The first implies - actually, outright states - that writing a comicbook is easier than a novel. For someone who typically writes comicbooks? Sure. I'm sure Bendis would have a tougher time with a novel than with a comicbook, because he's used to the latter. But just the same, someone who writes novels wouldn't have an easy time doing the same with comics.Techniques and literary skills that aren't often even consiered in comicbook writing.
The second statement really is pretty insulting to comic writers, though. To say that they "don't even consider" literary skills is just plain wrong. Just like Dune might not work as a comic, Watchmen wouldn't have the same impact as a prose novel. But being different doesn't mean they aren't using literary techniques. Watchmen is technically brilliant in both writing and art.
Now, maybe this isn't what you're trying to say at all. If that's the case, you might just need to rethink your wording. However, based on what you're saying, I don't know how anyone could come to a different conclusion.
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I'm sorry, but it isn't. It is indeed true that there are many literary techniques that are considered in writing novels, which simply aren't considered, at all, in comicbook writing. I've tried to explain this in previous posts. All I ask, is that you keep your "feelings" out of debates like these. Because whether you like it or not, both mediums present their scenes very, very differently to each other. This is why I'd rather read novels from novelists. I've tried to make this clear, and looking back at the very posts you just quoted, I can see that I had said that already. Quite clearly. I never said one was better than the other, except for when I posted about how a comicbook can be able to depict character expressions better than in novels. That was in my first post, in fact. So I clearly wasn't explaining how comics were "worse", or anything of the sort.The second statement really is pretty insulting to comic writers, though. To say that they "don't even consider" literary skills is just plain wrong.
But it is true that I think writing a novel is a greater challenge. It is a greater challenge. The planning needed is through the roof!! It can take years and years just to plan. It's a headache. It really is a monumntous achievement to be able to write a good novel. More so than planning lay outs for panels. But I never stated anything about novels being better.
I agree that if you try changing one story from one medium into another, it rarely makes a good transition. I think comicbooks share more in common with film scripts than novel literature. Writing novels is just very, very different indeed.Just like Dune might not work as a comic, Watchmen wouldn't have the same impact as a prose novel. But being different doesn't mean they aren't using literary techniques. Watchmen is technically brilliant in both writing and art.
I believe you may have gone into this discussion with some preconceived notions on how I may see general literature. I remember us both having a discusion about literary standards before. When I was discussing general MU and DCU comics, I feel you may have thought I was being rather brash and big-headed. I don't want assumptions like that distorting you're feelings of my comments. If you're not quite sure about something, ask a question. That's what I always do. :)Now, maybe this isn't what you're trying to say at all. If that's the case, you might just need to rethink your wording. However, based on what you're saying, I don't know how anyone could come to a different conclusion.